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bigpup
PostPosted: Fri 28 Mar 2014, 18:04    Post subject:

Rerwin,

Can you also post these links in the Lucid Puppy Revitalized as 5.2.8.6! topic.
In the 3rd post would be a good place.
Also, any other driver links you have.

Thanks!!

rerwin wrote:
Lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-3.2.48-20140321

have provided a set Nvidia drivers for lupusuper2 here:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/39gu2eot2s8w3/lupusuper2-k3.2.48 sfs
and
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/j93ga7o7nyckl/lupusuper2-k3.2.48 pets
mavrothal
PostPosted: Thu 27 Mar 2014, 01:45    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
Why the trademark holder of puppylinux should actively develop it himself to be able to define which build is a "puppy"?

Being active in developing a version of Puppy is not at issue.

Barry K. stating:
"I am retiring from the central role".
"others are now taking the reins."

To me indicates someone else is going to make decisions about Puppy.

Seems to me anyone that works on Woof-CE is controlling Puppy development.
The code changes they make to Woof-CE, directly affects Puppy in the future.
You use Woof-CE to build a version of Puppy.
The code in Woof-CE is controlling what is being done.

This discussion should probably be moved to another thread but lets leave it here for now.

I think we are confusing 3 things. Development, release and policies.
Woof development is the infrastructure that builds "official" puppies. However, not all woof-build puppies are "official". See Pemasu's Dpups as an example. So woof is necessary but not sufficient.
Release, is actually the production of a puppy version. People that released puppies can assure you that takes much more that just running a woof script to make a decent puppy.
What goes into a free public repository that is mirrored by 10+ other free sites and why, is a matter of policy. ie how long you support a release. Is updating the kernel of an old release an update, a new release or a derivative?
Is adding packages not compatible with the official release, going to give problems to the official?
Should the limited (allocation, bandwidth) resources be used for older or newer resources? etc etc.
This policies part is not relinquished in the "post-BK" era, but I would agree it should be discussed.

Several people may have access to ibiblio/puppylinux, some from the woof-CE team and some not. However, non of them would think to use the privilege as their personal server and I'm assuming that this is the reason that BK granted them access.


Quote:
In trying to add graphics hardware drivers to the official Lucid repository, the question was are all of the new versions of Lupu 5286 now considered derivatives of Lucid Puppy? Thus not official versions. So, they do not get support in the Lucid Puppy official repository.

Should this repository be locked from adding any new packages or updates to the packages already in it?

Makes me wonder.
Is Slacko64 an official release of Slacko or a derivative or the official 64 bit version of Puppy?

I think from the beginning they were derivatives (see 3HD) and I do not see why is that different now.
In general the so far policy was only official builds and packages directly linked/usable to/by them go to ibiblio. Otherwise we wouldn't have 10 sites with pet packages and then few more thousands in the forum.

Regarding slacko64, it does aspire to mature enough to become the first official 64-bit version of puppylinux.

Anyway, maybe is a good idea to open a new thread to discuss these matters because I think with BK's retirement from development they may arise often. Who knows he might even drop in for a comment Wink
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 23:13    Post subject:

Quote:
But to come to the problem at hand, building a repo somewhere else and having PPM/Quickpet, looking there also, should not be very difficult.

I think 01micko is the one to answer that question. Quickpet is his baby.

When he left to work on Slacko, I remember him saying Quickpet was a good idea, but a big pain in the you know what Very Happy Shocked
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 22:50    Post subject:

Quote:
Why the trademark holder of puppylinux should actively develop it himself to be able to define which build is a "puppy"?

Being active in developing a version of Puppy is not at issue.

Barry K. stating:
"I am retiring from the central role".
"others are now taking the reins."

To me indicates someone else is going to make decisions about Puppy.

Seems to me anyone that works on Woof-CE is controlling Puppy development.
The code changes they make to Woof-CE, directly affects Puppy in the future.
You use Woof-CE to build a version of Puppy.
The code in Woof-CE is controlling what is being done.

In trying to add graphics hardware drivers to the official Lucid repository, the question was are all of the new versions of Lupu 5286 now considered derivatives of Lucid Puppy? Thus not official versions. So, they do not get support in the Lucid Puppy official repository.

Should this repository be locked from adding any new packages or updates to the packages already in it?

Makes me wonder.
Is Slacko64 an official release of Slacko or a derivative or the official 64 bit version of Puppy?
mavrothal
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 17:05    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
I guess what I read here can be ignored?

Why the trademark holder of puppylinux should actively develop it himself to be able to define which build is a "puppy"?

But to come to the problem at hand, building a repo somewhere else and having PPM/Quickpet, looking there also, should not be very difficult.
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 16:40    Post subject:

I guess what I read here can be ignored?
http://bkhome.org/news/?viewDetailed=00002
http://bkhome.org/bkauler/
Barry K wrote:

Recently I announced in my old blog that I have placed Puppy Linux development into "maintenance mode", and I am retiring from the central role.
I am the creator of Puppy Linux, and was the chief developer until late September 2013, when I decided that after almost 11 years, it is time to retire. I put Puppy into "maintenance mode" and will continue with some input, however others are now taking the reins.
James C
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 14:58    Post subject:

mavrothal wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Quote:
rerwin knows who to ask

With Barry K gone, who does have the control to say what is an official Puppy?

Barry K


What did I miss. Has Barry K gone missing? Smile
mavrothal
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 14:41    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
rerwin knows who to ask

With Barry K gone, who does have the control to say what is an official Puppy?

Barry K
bigpup
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014, 18:55    Post subject:

Quote:
rerwin knows who to ask

With Barry K gone, who does have the control to say what is an official Puppy?
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014, 11:12    Post subject:

My position is that 5.2.8.005 was the last official Lucid Puppy. Lucid 5.2.8.6 is a Puppy derivative, and no other puppy derivatives get space in the ibiblio repo. rerwin has created a viable Puppy subculture--but I don't think it should receive privileges that other unofficial Puppies do not get. This is also just my opinion. rerwin knows who to ask. I am out of it. Best, larry
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 23:32    Post subject:

Playdayz,

Want to do a test to see if Quickpet->Drivers->nvidia will work for Lupusuper2?

Put this pet package in the ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid repository.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/g4o0lwgi860se82/nvidia-glx-173.14.39-k3.2.48.pet
Make sure it is listed in the ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/Packages-puppy-lucid-official

This is the driver I need for my hardware.

I will see if Quickpet will find it when I am running Lupusuper2.

I think it will as long as the driver pet is in the repo.
The repo has the Nvidia drivers for Lucid 5286 and Lupu3hd 5286 and Quickpet has no problem finding them.
I have tried it in both and it worked OK.
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 19:49    Post subject:

Quote:
Quickpet->Drivers->Nvidia

No drivers available in repo for your card.

(I know there is a driver, for this card, in the repo, but it is not compiled for the kernel in Lupusuper2)

Need some graphics drivers compiled to support the different kernels being used in Lucid versions.

Must be someone, who has repo access, that could help.


We can do whatever is best for Lupu users. As soon as that is decided Wink One problem: Unless someone rewrites the drivers section in Quickpet--which is not a trivial task--it is not going to know what to do with all of the kernel variants and proprietary drivers and new video hardware, as it was originally written for one kernel and that was complicated enough to get right (ask 01micko). My personal suggestion is to just delete the drivers tab from Quickpet for all but the 2.6.33.2 original kernel.

Putting in proprietary drivers for every kernel into the repo would be a heck of a lot of files, especially nivida drivers. And if they are in the repo, how many times are people going to download the wrong driver for their kernel? And making all those drivers would be a whole lot of work--compiling and packaging them is not trivial either.

One suggestion would be to link to the drivers right below the link to the iso for those who need the drivers. Or create a separate page.

Another suggestion: Discourage proprietary drivers. Yes, they are maybe 33% faster, but the open source Xorg drivers work wonderfully in most cases--and there is only one set. So I tell people to just install Xorg-High and call it good. That's what I do. Xorg-High gives hardware acceleration just the same as the proprietary drivers. rerwin might even consider adding Xorg_High to the iso, as both Slacko and Precise have done.

Yes, there are some new video cards and chips that the Xorg in Lupu cannot handle (such as my Lenovo g580 laptop). Proprietary drivers *might* work in those *if Lupu has the requirements to compile them* and they are not Intel. That seems like a lot of work, when there are a wonderful bunch of Puppies, Slacko, Precise, Lxpup, and a number of others, that run splendidly on my laptop, and I can configure them to run just like Lupu.
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 02:03    Post subject:

Quote:
since I intend the "plus" variants I provide to be collections of SFS files commonly needed in some installations, and since the nVidia graphics hardware is everywhere, maybe those drivers should be added to the "plus" ISOs. What is your thought regarding doing that?

That would be one solution.
However, you would need to provide several driver packages as well as ones for AMD/ATI hardware.
How much size would all of them add to the ISO files?
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 01:47    Post subject:

rerwin,

I do not think it would be too hard for you to get access to add files to the Lucid Puppy repository at ibiblio.org
It seems to just be a matter of requesting to have access.
Playdayz had it Very Happy Shocked

01micko has access.
Maybe ask him what you need to do.

This seems to be where you start.
http://www.ibiblio.org/share/
rerwin
PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2014, 16:01    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-3.2.48-20140321

Need some graphics drivers compiled to support the different kernels being used in Lucid versions.
I have already provided a set for lupusuper2 here:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/39gu2eot2s8w3/lupusuper2-k3.2.48 sfs
and
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/j93ga7o7nyckl/lupusuper2-k3.2.48 pets

I do not have access to the repo, so provide them that way. There is also a set for lupusuper4 (just navigate to them).

EDIT: BTW, since I intend the "plus" variants I provide to be collections of SFS files commonly needed in some installations, and since the nVidia graphics hardware is everywhere, maybe those drivers should be added to the "plus" ISOs. What is your thought regarding doing that? The current added files are for LibreOffice. Are there any other SFS files that would qualify?

Thank you for your report on saving to a partition. I wonder if the same behavior occurs under the regular lupu, 528-005 or precise pup. I am glad that it still does the job, albeit unnervingly.
Richard
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