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Bruce_n_Duane
PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011, 13:32    Post subject: No Sound
Subject description: No Sound on Hannspree

SOLVED
Solving this may help others with sound!

I just bought a new Hannspree HannBook SN10E2
It has an Intel HDA Sound Card.

From my Toshiba Laptop I built a Frugal Install Lucid 528 USB Flash Drive on a PNY 4GB Clip Drive.

When I boot the Hannspree with this USB drive I have sound and the speaker is in the tray.

I used this USB Drive to repartition my Hannspree and install GRUB and Frugal Install Lucid 528 on the harddrive.

When I boot from the hard drive Lucid 528, no sound card is detected, no sound, and no speaker icon in the tray. Just like robotgirl!

When I boot from the USB flash drive Lucid 528, I have sound and a speaker in the tray.

I tried the ALSA Wizard and it saw my HDA-Intel sound card but had an I/O error just before the sound test and no sound. Just like robotgirl. retrovol returns the same error message.

The differences between the USB and hard drive Lucid versions
USB is much slower -- so if it is a timing problem this could be a clue.
USB no subdirectory for Lucid files vs Hard Disk files in subdir 0_Lucid528
USB boots with syslinux vs Hard Disk use GRUB
USB has a different pupmode vs hard disk pupmode

The Lucid savefile was copied to the USB drive from the Toshiba Laptop.
This save file was used to test the Hannspree in the store and sound works.
This save file was copied from the USB drive to the Hannspree hard disk and no sound when booted using GRUB on hard disk.

Solution:
The USB flash drive was a fresh build of Lucid 525 with Toshiba save file.
I renamed the savefile and changed the GRUB menu.lst to PFIX=ram.
Booted and created a new savefile. This gave me sound on the Hannspree.
I am still adding the pets to build the Hannspree version of Lucid 525 back to what I have on the Toshiba Laptop. I then will compare the two savefiles to see what is different. It must be something in the two laptop configurations that caused the sound to go away or be blocked.

Any clue's as to where I should start looking?

-Bruce.
cthisbear
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 18:34    Post subject:

" It is a 2007 year made Dell. "

::::::

What a special company they are.

I rescued a Dell Dimension 3100 this week.
What a crap bios...hours spent fixing a boot error.

:::::::::::

And booting some Dells from USB.....ughhh!!

That's why I switched to my Hiren's Boot cd method.
No failures.

Here is a strange thing though.
Netbooks I have tested only like 4 gigs....on a USB.
Eeepc's are one such animal.

Tried 8 and 16 gig...they hate it.

My little Acer netbook stalls at startup.
Funnily if you are in Windows and reboot...not cold start..
the usb will boot....16gig Toshiba.

I had a new Toshiba laptop last week with the same error..

Toshiba Satellite C665 PSC2EA-01H00E

fixing Win7 so it stuffs up less in future.

Hiren's method and the files needed in my third last post.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58305&start=30

""""""""""""""

I tried Puppy 5.28 in the Dell
with a >>> LB Link wireless usb >> BL-LW06-AR 300M

Perfect...no issues in 2 Headed Dog.

http://www.jx.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=593&osCsid=2ec92058f3f69e37550e3534faec9805

Chris.
nancy reagan
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 18:24    Post subject: Re: bootflash
Subject description: cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk

corianspirit wrote:

If you use "universal USB installer" or try to change the partition in any way, then the usb will either not boot at all or the old problem reappear or it will only work in a very few modern computer.

BTW, maybe it is better if this forum in sorted from the latest date first ??


Did you ever try the great PLOP bootmanager ?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67379
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 17:21    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
bigpup wrote:
I have one of these computers. It will only recognize a bootable flash drive if formatted FAT 16 or 32.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I have also tested bootflash with Lucid-528. Ah, I see, so corianspirit is correct for those older machines. I finally understand why we have bootflash.

Nooby's 2003 computer should work with bootflash at least then, and with gparted and puppy Universal Installer and a linux file system if we are lucky.

There's no need to test Nooby. I am reasonably confident about that. Please consider putting your testing time into Slacko now Wink

Some added info about my computer.
It is a 2007 year made Dell.
If I format a flash drive with a Linux format and install Puppy. It will boot Puppy, but you have to boot using a boot-loader like Grub.
It will not boot as a bootable flash drive.
Bios does not see drive as bootable operating system.
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 10:17    Post subject:

Quote:
I have one of these computers. It will only recognize a bootable flash drive if formatted FAT 16 or 32.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I have also tested bootflash with Lucid-528. Ah, I see, so corianspirit is correct for those older machines. I finally understand why we have bootflash.

Nooby's 2003 computer should work with bootflash at least then, and with gparted and puppy Universal Installer and a linux file system if we are lucky.

There's no need to test Nooby. I am reasonably confident about that. Please consider putting your testing time into Slacko now Wink
nooby
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 09:58    Post subject: Re: bootflash
Subject description: cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk

corianspirit wrote:
About Lucid 5.2.8 , Great job for finally solving the "cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk". The latest Woof is really great.

I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

If you use "universal USB installer" or try to change the partition in any way, then the usb will either not boot at all or the old problem reappear or it will only work in a very few modern computer.

BTW, maybe it is better if this forum in sorted from the latest date first ??

Yes maybe it is very hardware dependent? I don't dare to test.

I sure have a computer without a hd now so would be easy to test but I hate to fail at things.
That computer is a AOpen Barebone MZ915 with intel chips.

Maybe too different and too new? Built 2003 or so?
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 09:45    Post subject: Re: two bugs

photor wrote:
photor wrote:
I report two bugs (Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 with Instant Update 001):
1. The "Music Player" and "Search" in "Default-Programs-Chooser" don't work (always left blank what ever you chose last time).
2. The "Pudd copy drive/partition" doesn't work for drive copy (popup the "Usage for Xdialog" after click "Choose drive").

No one has the same problem???

Where is the "default programs chooser"?

"Pudd copy drive/partition" drive copy option will only work on drives not mounted. If you have no unmounted drives, copy selection will come up blank for selections.
I can use the copy option, with no problem, on a drive not mounted.
The best way to use this program is from a Live Puppy CD, using boot option puppy pfix=ram.
This keeps any drive from being mounted except the CD drive.
photor
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 07:37    Post subject: Re: two bugs

photor wrote:
I report two bugs (Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 with Instant Update 001):
1. The "Music Player" and "Search" in "Default-Programs-Chooser" don't work (always left blank what ever you chose last time).
2. The "Pudd copy drive/partition" doesn't work for drive copy (popup the "Usage for Xdialog" after click "Choose drive").

No one has the same problem???
bigpup
PostPosted: Tue 20 Sep 2011, 22:03    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
Quote:
I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

That is not my experience. Actually I test using gparted to format the usb drive, usually ext4, and then use Puppy Universal Installer to install Puppy.

I have also tested using bootflash--but with that I found one usb drive that would not work unless I first wiped it with gparted.


Playdayz,
There are some computers that will not boot from a USB flash drive that is not formatted in Fat 16 or Fat 32.
Probably ones who's bios was written around the time USB booting was implemented. Or because the standard thing by manufactures is to format a USB flash drive VFat and that is what the bios expects.
5 or 6 years ago USB booting was a magical new feature.
I have one of these computers. It will only recognize a bootable flash drive if formatted FAT 16 or 32.
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 20 Sep 2011, 12:27    Post subject:

Quote:
I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

That is not my experience. Actually I test using gparted to format the usb drive, usually ext4, and then use Puppy Universal Installer to install Puppy.

I have also tested using bootflash--but with that I found one usb drive that would not work unless I first wiped it with gparted.

Quote:
The big issue is you need to use the DVD menu screen in reduced size for it to look OK when selecting.

I will pass this on to Kevin, and the other points. Thanks.
corianspirit
PostPosted: Tue 20 Sep 2011, 03:42    Post subject: bootflash
Subject description: cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk

About Lucid 5.2.8 , Great job for finally solving the "cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk". The latest Woof is really great.

I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

If you use "universal USB installer" or try to change the partition in any way, then the usb will either not boot at all or the old problem reappear or it will only work in a very few modern computer.

BTW, maybe it is better if this forum in sorted from the latest date first ??
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 19 Sep 2011, 22:34    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
Could you test this 1.0.4 if you have a chance? The CD playback doesn't work, but perhaps you could see if it handled DVD's better than 1.0.3. I tested just a bit and it did seem to handle the menus better. Thanks.

Well, for DVD movies it is improving. 1.0.4 i would say is good and better than 1.0.2 or 1.0.3.
Still has some minor issues, but would not keep someone from using it for DVD movies. For the most part it works OK.
The big issue is you need to use the DVD menu screen in reduced size for it to look OK when selecting.

In one install of lucid 5.2.8. with the "Super Multimedia Upgrade pack" installed. After going back and forth removing and installing different versions of Gnome Mplayer. Using 1.0.3 or 1.0.4.
Big issue was menu selection pointers showing in movie while playing.
Found I could stop movie, then hit play, and they would not show anymore.

Another thing I installed the Gnome Mplayer 1.0.4 pet in a fresh install of Lucid 5.2.8 and the menu selection pointers where not showing in the movie, but when you look at the menu you had no pointers just shaded rectangles over a menu item when you pointed at it with mouse.

Overall it is improving. 1.0.4 is better than 1.0.3 for DVD movies.
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 19 Sep 2011, 15:44    Post subject:

Quote:
Nothing comes close to Ogle dvd (Wary) for dvd playback.

Hey rjb, We think that the default media player ought to do at least a decent job on everything--mainly because new users probably expect that--reasonably imho. gnome-mplayer does A+ on videos I think, good on cd's, but not as good as we would like on dvd's. We do have XineDVD now, and clicking on the icon of a dvd opens XineDVD. I will check ogle. I notice that Barry has offered prize money for a nice shiny new gui for ogle--imho that would be money well spent. Thanks.
ASRI éducation
PostPosted: Mon 19 Sep 2011, 12:59    Post subject:

Edit : sorry, the problem below is only on my puplet. Lucid528 icons are ok.

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@ playdayz
wallpaper GUI: two missing icons (see screenshot and tar.gz).
rjbrewer
PostPosted: Sun 18 Sep 2011, 17:00    Post subject:

I've never seen any version of Mplayer that plays dvds'
correctly.
My favorite dvd won't even play in Xine dvd without freezing
or having sound issues on different machines.

Nothing comes close to Ogle dvd (Wary) for dvd playback.
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