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playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 19:31    Post subject:

Quote:
1) After initial setup and using the firstrun wizard to set timezone and change res to 1440x900. No other changes. After two or three boots the openbox taskbar disappears and will not return. Switch to jwm via WM Switcher and taskbar appears. Switch back to openbox, no taskbar.

2) Install a simple pet by clicking the pet in rox (bash script with menu). Click the menu item in jwm, screen locks. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, xwin brings the system back. Sometimes the screen does not lock but the app does not run. top shows no process for it. The app runs fine from a desktop icon or clicking the script or the /usr/share/applications/ .desktop file. Switch back to openbox and the menu item works.

2-byte, We haven't seen either of these before, to my knowledge. The Instant Update shouldn't hurt, but it was not designed to fix either problem.

On #2, what is the pet you are installing? We test Lucid pets but don't test all pets of course. Does this happen with *any* pet?
On #1, It seems you are saying no other programs/pets have been installed??? Nothing else has been done, except reboots???
2byte
PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 14:39    Post subject:

2 repeatable issues/bugs to report, lupu528 downloaded and installed 9-24-11.
Frugal install /sda1/lupu528/ on ext3, booting from grub.

1) After initial setup and using the firstrun wizard to set timezone and change res to 1440x900. No other changes. After two or three boots the openbox taskbar disappears and will not return. Switch to jwm via WM Switcher and taskbar appears. Switch back to openbox, no taskbar.

2) Install a simple pet by clicking the pet in rox (bash script with menu). Click the menu item in jwm, screen locks. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, xwin brings the system back. Sometimes the screen does not lock but the app does not run. top shows no process for it. The app runs fine from a desktop icon or clicking the script or the /usr/share/applications/ .desktop file. Switch back to openbox and the menu item works.

This repeated through 4 fresh frugal installs with or without Xorg-high. All md5sums are correct.

Does this need the instant update? I downloaded it from the link on the first post two days ago.

Regards,
2byte
eternal-sunshine
PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 02:19    Post subject:

playdayz,
Thanks for your reply. (you didn't give a link but I'll track it down.)
Away from my PC for next 24 hrs but will try then.
Thanks again
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 26 Sep 2011, 00:12    Post subject: Re: Strange PFind behaviour

I just tried that in 3HD and it worked OK. Here is the address of the latest Pfind. You need pfilesearch also. This would be the first thing to try. Thanks.

eternal-sunshine wrote:
I just did a search using Pfind looking for "orbit" file and now see over 2800 !!! folders under /. See attached jpg.

I havent gone through all 2800 odd of them but the ones I did open are all empty.

Anyone any ideas what is happening?

(using puppy 528 with update 001 frugal install)
eternal-sunshine
PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011, 13:34    Post subject: Strange PFind behaviour

I just did a search using Pfind looking for "orbit" file and now see over 2800 !!! folders under /. See attached jpg.

I havent gone through all 2800 odd of them but the ones I did open are all empty.

Anyone any ideas what is happening?

(using puppy 528 with update 001 frugal install)
Bruce_n_Duane
PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011, 13:32    Post subject: No Sound
Subject description: No Sound on Hannspree

SOLVED
Solving this may help others with sound!

I just bought a new Hannspree HannBook SN10E2
It has an Intel HDA Sound Card.

From my Toshiba Laptop I built a Frugal Install Lucid 528 USB Flash Drive on a PNY 4GB Clip Drive.

When I boot the Hannspree with this USB drive I have sound and the speaker is in the tray.

I used this USB Drive to repartition my Hannspree and install GRUB and Frugal Install Lucid 528 on the harddrive.

When I boot from the hard drive Lucid 528, no sound card is detected, no sound, and no speaker icon in the tray. Just like robotgirl!

When I boot from the USB flash drive Lucid 528, I have sound and a speaker in the tray.

I tried the ALSA Wizard and it saw my HDA-Intel sound card but had an I/O error just before the sound test and no sound. Just like robotgirl. retrovol returns the same error message.

The differences between the USB and hard drive Lucid versions
USB is much slower -- so if it is a timing problem this could be a clue.
USB no subdirectory for Lucid files vs Hard Disk files in subdir 0_Lucid528
USB boots with syslinux vs Hard Disk use GRUB
USB has a different pupmode vs hard disk pupmode

The Lucid savefile was copied to the USB drive from the Toshiba Laptop.
This save file was used to test the Hannspree in the store and sound works.
This save file was copied from the USB drive to the Hannspree hard disk and no sound when booted using GRUB on hard disk.

Solution:
The USB flash drive was a fresh build of Lucid 525 with Toshiba save file.
I renamed the savefile and changed the GRUB menu.lst to PFIX=ram.
Booted and created a new savefile. This gave me sound on the Hannspree.
I am still adding the pets to build the Hannspree version of Lucid 525 back to what I have on the Toshiba Laptop. I then will compare the two savefiles to see what is different. It must be something in the two laptop configurations that caused the sound to go away or be blocked.

Any clue's as to where I should start looking?

-Bruce.
cthisbear
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 18:34    Post subject:

" It is a 2007 year made Dell. "

::::::

What a special company they are.

I rescued a Dell Dimension 3100 this week.
What a crap bios...hours spent fixing a boot error.

:::::::::::

And booting some Dells from USB.....ughhh!!

That's why I switched to my Hiren's Boot cd method.
No failures.

Here is a strange thing though.
Netbooks I have tested only like 4 gigs....on a USB.
Eeepc's are one such animal.

Tried 8 and 16 gig...they hate it.

My little Acer netbook stalls at startup.
Funnily if you are in Windows and reboot...not cold start..
the usb will boot....16gig Toshiba.

I had a new Toshiba laptop last week with the same error..

Toshiba Satellite C665 PSC2EA-01H00E

fixing Win7 so it stuffs up less in future.

Hiren's method and the files needed in my third last post.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58305&start=30

""""""""""""""

I tried Puppy 5.28 in the Dell
with a >>> LB Link wireless usb >> BL-LW06-AR 300M

Perfect...no issues in 2 Headed Dog.

http://www.jx.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=593&osCsid=2ec92058f3f69e37550e3534faec9805

Chris.
nancy reagan
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 18:24    Post subject: Re: bootflash
Subject description: cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk

corianspirit wrote:

If you use "universal USB installer" or try to change the partition in any way, then the usb will either not boot at all or the old problem reappear or it will only work in a very few modern computer.

BTW, maybe it is better if this forum in sorted from the latest date first ??


Did you ever try the great PLOP bootmanager ?
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67379
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 17:21    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
bigpup wrote:
I have one of these computers. It will only recognize a bootable flash drive if formatted FAT 16 or 32.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I have also tested bootflash with Lucid-528. Ah, I see, so corianspirit is correct for those older machines. I finally understand why we have bootflash.

Nooby's 2003 computer should work with bootflash at least then, and with gparted and puppy Universal Installer and a linux file system if we are lucky.

There's no need to test Nooby. I am reasonably confident about that. Please consider putting your testing time into Slacko now Wink

Some added info about my computer.
It is a 2007 year made Dell.
If I format a flash drive with a Linux format and install Puppy. It will boot Puppy, but you have to boot using a boot-loader like Grub.
It will not boot as a bootable flash drive.
Bios does not see drive as bootable operating system.
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 10:17    Post subject:

Quote:
I have one of these computers. It will only recognize a bootable flash drive if formatted FAT 16 or 32.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I have also tested bootflash with Lucid-528. Ah, I see, so corianspirit is correct for those older machines. I finally understand why we have bootflash.

Nooby's 2003 computer should work with bootflash at least then, and with gparted and puppy Universal Installer and a linux file system if we are lucky.

There's no need to test Nooby. I am reasonably confident about that. Please consider putting your testing time into Slacko now Wink
nooby
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 09:58    Post subject: Re: bootflash
Subject description: cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk

corianspirit wrote:
About Lucid 5.2.8 , Great job for finally solving the "cannot boot from usb flash without harddisk". The latest Woof is really great.

I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

If you use "universal USB installer" or try to change the partition in any way, then the usb will either not boot at all or the old problem reappear or it will only work in a very few modern computer.

BTW, maybe it is better if this forum in sorted from the latest date first ??

Yes maybe it is very hardware dependent? I don't dare to test.

I sure have a computer without a hd now so would be easy to test but I hate to fail at things.
That computer is a AOpen Barebone MZ915 with intel chips.

Maybe too different and too new? Built 2003 or so?
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 09:45    Post subject: Re: two bugs

photor wrote:
photor wrote:
I report two bugs (Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 with Instant Update 001):
1. The "Music Player" and "Search" in "Default-Programs-Chooser" don't work (always left blank what ever you chose last time).
2. The "Pudd copy drive/partition" doesn't work for drive copy (popup the "Usage for Xdialog" after click "Choose drive").

No one has the same problem???

Where is the "default programs chooser"?

"Pudd copy drive/partition" drive copy option will only work on drives not mounted. If you have no unmounted drives, copy selection will come up blank for selections.
I can use the copy option, with no problem, on a drive not mounted.
The best way to use this program is from a Live Puppy CD, using boot option puppy pfix=ram.
This keeps any drive from being mounted except the CD drive.
photor
PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011, 07:37    Post subject: Re: two bugs

photor wrote:
I report two bugs (Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 with Instant Update 001):
1. The "Music Player" and "Search" in "Default-Programs-Chooser" don't work (always left blank what ever you chose last time).
2. The "Pudd copy drive/partition" doesn't work for drive copy (popup the "Usage for Xdialog" after click "Choose drive").

No one has the same problem???
bigpup
PostPosted: Tue 20 Sep 2011, 22:03    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
Quote:
I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

That is not my experience. Actually I test using gparted to format the usb drive, usually ext4, and then use Puppy Universal Installer to install Puppy.

I have also tested using bootflash--but with that I found one usb drive that would not work unless I first wiped it with gparted.


Playdayz,
There are some computers that will not boot from a USB flash drive that is not formatted in Fat 16 or Fat 32.
Probably ones who's bios was written around the time USB booting was implemented. Or because the standard thing by manufactures is to format a USB flash drive VFat and that is what the bios expects.
5 or 6 years ago USB booting was a magical new feature.
I have one of these computers. It will only recognize a bootable flash drive if formatted FAT 16 or 32.
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 20 Sep 2011, 12:27    Post subject:

Quote:
I just want to report that it can work flawlessly for ALL COMPUTER THAT CAN BOOT FROM USB only if you format the usb flash using "bootflash USB installer" thus using the whole usb flash and fat32 format.

That is not my experience. Actually I test using gparted to format the usb drive, usually ext4, and then use Puppy Universal Installer to install Puppy.

I have also tested using bootflash--but with that I found one usb drive that would not work unless I first wiped it with gparted.

Quote:
The big issue is you need to use the DVD menu screen in reduced size for it to look OK when selecting.

I will pass this on to Kevin, and the other points. Thanks.
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