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playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 15:20    Post subject:

Quote:
b) I aught to first wait a while, using the new/fresh lupusave made using Lupu-528.002...
To first see that it's working reliably.
And only once satisfied that it's working well and relibly...
Only then apply the 002 update, OK?

Not exactly. I recommend beginning with the lupu-528.iso from the first message of this thread--that is the original (not the updated lupu-528-002.iso). Then, as you say, use it a while and make a save file and see that everything is OK, then install the Instant Update 002 and use that for a while.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:48    Post subject:

1. "Sylvander, It might be good to start from scratch"
Yes, I had that in mind, but when the lupusave restore seemed to work I just ran with that.
Do you think starting afresh is the thing to do at this point?

2. "Is there a problem with the speaker if you use lupu-528.iso from the first page of this thread--booting as a Live CD and not updating any lupusave files?"
Don't know yet, haven't ever tried that so far.
The update seemed to go OK...
Until this problem appeared out of the blue.

3. "Can you then shutdown and create a lupusave file from that Live CD boot and then reboot without a problem?"
I'll try that ASAP.

4. "After rebooting can you then install the Instant Update 002 from the first page of this thread--does that cause a problem?"
Originally, I did make the mistake of installing the 002 update...
To a lupusave updated from Lupu-526 to Lupu-528.002...
And it seemed to have caused no problem [you reported that it wouldn't, so I felt OK about that].

5. "Can you then reboot with that Instant Update 002 installed--does that cause the problem?"
(a) You want me to deliberately install the 002 update, even though that's not a thing that aught to be done [it's redundant]...
So as to check whether it causes a problem?

(b) I aught to first wait a while, using the new/fresh lupusave made using Lupu-528.002...
To first see that it's working reliably.
And only once satisfied that it's working well and relibly...
Only then apply the 002 update, OK?
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:31    Post subject:

Sylvander, It might be good to start from scratch.

Is there a problem with the speaker if you use lupu-528.iso from the first page of this thread--booting as a Live CD and not updating any lupusave files?

Can you then shutdown and create a lupusave file from that Live CD boot and then reboot without a problem?

After rebooting can you then install the Instant Update 002 from the first page of this thread--does that cause a problem?

Can you then reboot with that Instant Update 002 installed--does that cause the problem?
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:29    Post subject:

1. OK...
Opened and closed retrovol...[OK]
Browsed some web pages...[OK]
Manually saved the session...[OK]

Rebooted, and chose to not save the session [already saved]...[OK]

Once back into the desktop, the speaker icon was GONE! Sad

2. Here's the text in the terminal window from running the pmodemdiag command:
Code:
# pmodemdiag
cat: /etc/puppyversion: No such file or directory
/usr/sbin/pmodemdiag: line 20: [: -ge: unary operator expected
 Running PupScan to get hardware IDs and drivers - please close its window manually.
 Collecting various modem-related files into an archive tarball:
  pmodemdiag-20111114.tar.gz.
ls: cannot access /dev/char/116:16: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /dev/char/116:26: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /dev/char/116:17: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC0D2c: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/midiC1D0: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC1D2p: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/hwC0D0: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/seq: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/hwC1D0: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC1D1p: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/controlC0: Input/output error
 Diagnostic file collection complete.
 Tarball pmodemdiag-20111114.tar.gz can be attached to a posting or personal
  message (PM) in the Puppy forum, for analysis of dialup modem issues.
 The content can be found in /tmp/pmodemdiag-20111114/.
#


3. The above created a folder = /tmp/pmodemdiag-20111114
Couldn't find any pmodemdiag-20111114.tar.gz file.
So...
I moved the above folder to /02, and made a tar.gz archive of it, and will attempt to upload it here:
[Seems to have succeeded]
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:03    Post subject:

1. "In a session where the icon disappears, could you immediately run pmodemdiag to obtain some evidence to work with? Please post the generated pmodemdiag...tar.gz file or PM it to me."
Will do, just as soon as I notice the icon has gone, and can respond.

2. "What have you been doing relative to "sound" that might unload the drivers? Alsamixer?"
Normally I only run retrovol to check the settings are OK, then close it.
I never mess with Alsamixer unless the icon has already disappeared.
Can't think of anything that might be causing this.

3. "Does rerunning the alsawizard restore the volume-control speaker icon?"
It did at least one time, that's for sure.
Then when the icon disappeared again, and I tried Alsawizard again, it didn't work.
rerwin
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 11:52    Post subject:

Sylvander wrote:
Speaker icon has disappeared from bottom right...
Alsamixer flashes on-screen then off.
Gnome Alsamixer is blank.
In a session where the icon disappears, could you immediately run pmodemdiag to obtain some evidence to work with? Please post the generated pmodemdiag...tar.gz file or PM it to me.

Be aware that, in my alsawizard debugging attempts I found that the act of unloading the sound drivers causes retrovol to crash, losing the speaker icon. What have you been doing relative to "sound" that might unload the drivers? Alsamixer? Does rerunning the alsawizard restore the volume-control speaker icon?
Richard
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 10:39    Post subject:

Problem has returned during the session! Sad

i.e. Speaker icon has disappeared from bottom right...
Alsamixer flashes on-screen then off.
Gnome Alsamixer is blank.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 08:03    Post subject:

Yes, I faintly remember fixing this once before quite recently.
Can't remember which Puppy, or the other details.
Wouldn't want this to be a recurring problem. Sad

I wonder if it might have anything to do with using Psip Puppy Phone [version 0.26]?
On older hardware?
Sage
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 07:13    Post subject:

Quote:
1. Alsamixer window flashes on screen and disappears.
Seem to recall that this feature was fixed recently?
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 06:40    Post subject:

Problem eliminated. Very Happy
Using the following method...

1. Restored a recent "Pupsave Hot Backup" [made on the 10th Nov].

2. Odd thing: the booted live 528 CD [and SFS beside the lupusave] treated the lupusave [that had been previously updated from 526 to 528] as a 526 lupusave, and asked if I wanted to update it to 528.
See this post for detail.

3. The speaker icon is now back where it aught to be, and sound appears normal.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 04:46    Post subject:

1. Alsamixer window flashes on screen and disappears.

2. Gnome Alsamixer window comes on screen but blank/empty.
runtt21
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 22:14    Post subject:

Sylvander try the alsa mixer under multimedia.
Lobster
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 21:11    Post subject:

Latest ISO, Windows exe installer and flash updates for Lucid here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/puppy526
yep we don't have a 528 page . . .

Have not used Lucid in a long while, so anyone registering and updating the wiki for Lucid most welcome Smile
Did use pemasu's Lucid derivative - which worked great for me

Have a friend with a Samsung laptop
- Wifi drivers not available out of the box in Slacko
- gonna try Lucid (lupu-528.002.iso) for him - will put on a USB drive.
He wants to dual boot some minor OS called Whinedoze 7 and Ubuntu and use Puppy from DVD/Keydrive for banking . . .

Quote:
The fact is that Slacko is at the beginning of its development and Lucid is toward the end of its--though it will remain available with this forum for questions and discussion as well

Cool

Gosh Slacko is a mature project for me Shocked
- been using Slacko for months . . . Smile
- but Larry is right we need compiled programs for Slacko
- end user feedback etc

Beginning its cycle is Puppy 6 and PARM
No idea what will emerge . . . Smile
I have hijacked ye olde Saluki page for now . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy6
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM

Lucid seems to be shining brightly Very Happy
Sylvander
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 19:31    Post subject:

PROBLEM
1. No speaker icon at bottom right in the tray.
(a) Normally in a previous session, when I ran "Setup->Alsa sound wizard", that was successful, or so it seemed.

(b) Now, when I do that I don't hear any "woof-woof", and no speaker icon appears, not even after reboot.

(c) Anyone know a fix.
shinobar
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 08:53    Post subject: UPDATE: sfs_load
Subject description: sfs_load unable to unload sfs in some case

sfs_load may fail to unload the excessive(>6) SFS on Lucid Puppy 528.
REASON: the losetup command(busybox) on Lucid Puppy 528 cannot properly handle /dev/loop10 and larger.

Try sfs_load-1.3 in such case.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64354
You may need to reboot PC after the sfs_load updated (only if you have loaded SFS more than 6).
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