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playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:31    Post subject:

Sylvander, It might be good to start from scratch.

Is there a problem with the speaker if you use lupu-528.iso from the first page of this thread--booting as a Live CD and not updating any lupusave files?

Can you then shutdown and create a lupusave file from that Live CD boot and then reboot without a problem?

After rebooting can you then install the Instant Update 002 from the first page of this thread--does that cause a problem?

Can you then reboot with that Instant Update 002 installed--does that cause the problem?
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:29    Post subject:

1. OK...
Opened and closed retrovol...[OK]
Browsed some web pages...[OK]
Manually saved the session...[OK]

Rebooted, and chose to not save the session [already saved]...[OK]

Once back into the desktop, the speaker icon was GONE! Sad

2. Here's the text in the terminal window from running the pmodemdiag command:
Code:
# pmodemdiag
cat: /etc/puppyversion: No such file or directory
/usr/sbin/pmodemdiag: line 20: [: -ge: unary operator expected
 Running PupScan to get hardware IDs and drivers - please close its window manually.
 Collecting various modem-related files into an archive tarball:
  pmodemdiag-20111114.tar.gz.
ls: cannot access /dev/char/116:16: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /dev/char/116:26: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /dev/char/116:17: No such file or directory
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC0D2c: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/midiC1D0: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC1D2p: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC0D1p: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/hwC0D0: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/seq: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/hwC1D0: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/pcmC1D1p: Input/output error
ls: cannot access /dev/snd/controlC0: Input/output error
 Diagnostic file collection complete.
 Tarball pmodemdiag-20111114.tar.gz can be attached to a posting or personal
  message (PM) in the Puppy forum, for analysis of dialup modem issues.
 The content can be found in /tmp/pmodemdiag-20111114/.
#


3. The above created a folder = /tmp/pmodemdiag-20111114
Couldn't find any pmodemdiag-20111114.tar.gz file.
So...
I moved the above folder to /02, and made a tar.gz archive of it, and will attempt to upload it here:
[Seems to have succeeded]
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 13:03    Post subject:

1. "In a session where the icon disappears, could you immediately run pmodemdiag to obtain some evidence to work with? Please post the generated pmodemdiag...tar.gz file or PM it to me."
Will do, just as soon as I notice the icon has gone, and can respond.

2. "What have you been doing relative to "sound" that might unload the drivers? Alsamixer?"
Normally I only run retrovol to check the settings are OK, then close it.
I never mess with Alsamixer unless the icon has already disappeared.
Can't think of anything that might be causing this.

3. "Does rerunning the alsawizard restore the volume-control speaker icon?"
It did at least one time, that's for sure.
Then when the icon disappeared again, and I tried Alsawizard again, it didn't work.
rerwin
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 11:52    Post subject:

Sylvander wrote:
Speaker icon has disappeared from bottom right...
Alsamixer flashes on-screen then off.
Gnome Alsamixer is blank.
In a session where the icon disappears, could you immediately run pmodemdiag to obtain some evidence to work with? Please post the generated pmodemdiag...tar.gz file or PM it to me.

Be aware that, in my alsawizard debugging attempts I found that the act of unloading the sound drivers causes retrovol to crash, losing the speaker icon. What have you been doing relative to "sound" that might unload the drivers? Alsamixer? Does rerunning the alsawizard restore the volume-control speaker icon?
Richard
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 10:39    Post subject:

Problem has returned during the session! Sad

i.e. Speaker icon has disappeared from bottom right...
Alsamixer flashes on-screen then off.
Gnome Alsamixer is blank.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 08:03    Post subject:

Yes, I faintly remember fixing this once before quite recently.
Can't remember which Puppy, or the other details.
Wouldn't want this to be a recurring problem. Sad

I wonder if it might have anything to do with using Psip Puppy Phone [version 0.26]?
On older hardware?
Sage
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 07:13    Post subject:

Quote:
1. Alsamixer window flashes on screen and disappears.
Seem to recall that this feature was fixed recently?
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 06:40    Post subject:

Problem eliminated. Very Happy
Using the following method...

1. Restored a recent "Pupsave Hot Backup" [made on the 10th Nov].

2. Odd thing: the booted live 528 CD [and SFS beside the lupusave] treated the lupusave [that had been previously updated from 526 to 528] as a 526 lupusave, and asked if I wanted to update it to 528.
See this post for detail.

3. The speaker icon is now back where it aught to be, and sound appears normal.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 04:46    Post subject:

1. Alsamixer window flashes on screen and disappears.

2. Gnome Alsamixer window comes on screen but blank/empty.
runtt21
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 22:14    Post subject:

Sylvander try the alsa mixer under multimedia.
Lobster
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 21:11    Post subject:

Latest ISO, Windows exe installer and flash updates for Lucid here
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/puppy526
yep we don't have a 528 page . . .

Have not used Lucid in a long while, so anyone registering and updating the wiki for Lucid most welcome Smile
Did use pemasu's Lucid derivative - which worked great for me

Have a friend with a Samsung laptop
- Wifi drivers not available out of the box in Slacko
- gonna try Lucid (lupu-528.002.iso) for him - will put on a USB drive.
He wants to dual boot some minor OS called Whinedoze 7 and Ubuntu and use Puppy from DVD/Keydrive for banking . . .

Quote:
The fact is that Slacko is at the beginning of its development and Lucid is toward the end of its--though it will remain available with this forum for questions and discussion as well

Cool

Gosh Slacko is a mature project for me Shocked
- been using Slacko for months . . . Smile
- but Larry is right we need compiled programs for Slacko
- end user feedback etc

Beginning its cycle is Puppy 6 and PARM
No idea what will emerge . . . Smile
I have hijacked ye olde Saluki page for now . . .
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy6
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM

Lucid seems to be shining brightly Very Happy
Sylvander
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 19:31    Post subject:

PROBLEM
1. No speaker icon at bottom right in the tray.
(a) Normally in a previous session, when I ran "Setup->Alsa sound wizard", that was successful, or so it seemed.

(b) Now, when I do that I don't hear any "woof-woof", and no speaker icon appears, not even after reboot.

(c) Anyone know a fix.
shinobar
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 08:53    Post subject: UPDATE: sfs_load
Subject description: sfs_load unable to unload sfs in some case

sfs_load may fail to unload the excessive(>6) SFS on Lucid Puppy 528.
REASON: the losetup command(busybox) on Lucid Puppy 528 cannot properly handle /dev/loop10 and larger.

Try sfs_load-1.3 in such case.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=64354
You may need to reboot PC after the sfs_load updated (only if you have loaded SFS more than 6).
otropogo
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 04:35    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
...
otropogo, I have asked tempestuous and rerwin if they have any ideas. They are the experts on drivers. Since Slacko does work with usb3 it might be useful to ask for the features (versatility and range of applications) you want in Slacko. The fact is that Slacko is at the beginning of its development and Lucid is toward the end of its--though it will remain available with this forum for questions and discussion as well as the Instant Update 002. I am disappointed that 3HD did not work since it uses the same kernel and kernel mode drivers as Slacko. Like Lupu, 3HD will also remain available with an upcoming update and its support forum.

.


Lupu 528 standard remains the only current version that works on both my Intel D865GLC desktop and my Toshiba laptop with USB3. No version of Slacko except 5.3 will boot my Intel desktop. But strangely, it doesn't provide native USB3 support (whereas 5.29.6 did)


Lupu528_K3.0.7 provides native support for USB3, but won't boot my desktop PC. It's also fatally crippled by inability to "see any active interfaces", wired or wireless on the 64-bit laptop.

Lupu 528 standard boots both of my PCs, and provides USB3 and 3TB support via pet (so I can't boot a save file or sfs from the USB3port). It seems initially that the 3TB drive is unwritable, because a red popup displays when mounting it that says:

Quote:
NTFS WARNING The ntfs-3g drive was unable to mount the NTFS partition and reported the following error message

fuse: if you are sure this is safe use the 'nonempty' mount option

So, the inbuilt kernel NTFS drive has been used to mount the partition read only OK


The same thing happens when first mounting the drive on the USB2 port.

However, after reattaching the drive to the second USB3 port and remounting it, the red popup no longer appears, and the partition is mounted writable. After that, it can also be reattached to the first port and mounted writable there.

It seems that some corruption has crept into all of the newer kernel versions of Slacko and lupu.
playdayz
PostPosted: Sun 13 Nov 2011, 01:09    Post subject:

Quote:
Since the purpose of the exercise was to get a Puppy with the versatility and range of applications of lupu 5.28, plus full support for USB3, my quest goes on. Presumably I'll have to wait for lupu to get a newer kernel with USB3 support.

otropogo, I have asked tempestuous and rerwin if they have any ideas. They are the experts on drivers. Since Slacko does work with usb3 it might be useful to ask for the features (versatility and range of applications) you want in Slacko. The fact is that Slacko is at the beginning of its development and Lucid is toward the end of its--though it will remain available with this forum for questions and discussion as well as the Instant Update 002. I am disappointed that 3HD did not work since it uses the same kernel and kernel mode drivers as Slacko. Like Lupu, 3HD will also remain available with an upcoming update and its support forum.

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