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Sylvander
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 05:20    Post subject:

nooby wrote:
Never ever under no cicumstance upgrade

For me...
Successful upgrades are the rule, not the exception. Cool

I only begin afresh if I'm forced. Sad

I've had someone tell me to scrap a HDD, that is still working just fine years later [in an external enclosure].

I hear what you say and will bear [carry] it in mind.
nooby
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 05:11    Post subject:

Sylvander, I fail to find the proper English tone for to make
the following text come through as it should be taken with a smile.
You have to see my friendly smiling face so You don't get me wrong.
I comment on this text of yours. Smile

Quote:
1. "Did you upgrade to get to 526?"
Yes.
526 behaved pretty well.
When I upgraded to the 1st 528 version is when the problems began.
Also having problems when I upgraded from 526 to 528.002


Nooby's friendly comment.

When will they ever learn. Never ever under no cicumstance upgrade.
Always always start afresh and make everythings fresh install Smile

That is the Puppy rule man! Smile Yes I am a sinner too. When the old
works so well it is a core to install everythign again but the rule is
there for a reason. Do a new install and not an upgrade!
elcurita
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 04:17    Post subject:

@bigpup
My setup consists of 3 Dell Optiplex gx270 and 7 pqi Pen-Drives of 4 Gigs each.-fat32 this time.The Dell’s have 2 gigs of memory each .The Pen-Drives are totally dedicated to Puppy and the installation of puppy on the Pen-drives as this moment is on a fat 32 file system
In 3 sticks we install puppy using Pen-Drive Universal Installer 1.8.6.8 and creating a 512 megs save file .In others we use the puppy installer.
I have used all forms of installs in the last week and all have the same results loosing sound and other functionalities after some boot-ups. We boot from the machines using the f12 key and choosing USB drive.Only download is chrome browser .But hapens with Opera or Firefox.
Some explanation is in order: These 3 computers are the network of a church and the USB sticks are used by 7 kids from the Junior High School .Since we are not allowed to access the hard drives of the computers this was the best solution since each student will have a USB stick of their own.Everything works fine Write, Calc, Chrome....everything but sound and Pmusic and thats is the only complain from these boys and girls. On the computer that Puppy was installed as “frugal”all is fine no problems .They had slax before but now they love puppy.Well... we will keep trying .
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 01:29    Post subject:

elcurita wrote:
One by one the USB sticks are loosing sound and pmusic and gnome player started failing, the hard disk frugal install still woks. It must be a USB thing.

What format are USB sticks?
How is save setup on USB sticks?
Save file?
Use entire USB drive?
How much free space?
Anything you were doing just before you lost sound?
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 21:46    Post subject:

Quote:
I applied the multimedia upgrade and the problems with sound and icon missing are gone.I have booted 12 times and all is fine.This is the way I installed Puppy: Lupu 528-002 iso, reboot to create save file,install rerwin pacht IU002.pet, reboot, install Multimedia_Upgrade-Lucid528-002.pet .14 Reboots later I still have sound and icons and Pmusic working.


That is great news. Thanks.

Quote:
One by one the USB sticks are loosing sound and pmusic and gnome player started failing, the hard disk frugal install still woks. It must be a USB thing.


And that could be a clue.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Google Chrome 15

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet_packages-lucid/Google_Chrome-15-Lucid.pet

And that could be a clue.
elcurita
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 20:36    Post subject: 12 Reboots = Success!!!
Subject description: Lost Vol Icon and sound Pmusic & Gnome mixer not working =FIXED

I applied the multimedia upgrade and the problems with sound and icon missing are gone.I have booted 12 times and all is fine.This is the way I installed Puppy: Lupu 528-002 iso, reboot to create save file,install rerwin pacht IU002.pet, reboot, install Multimedia_Upgrade-Lucid528-002.pet . Reboots later I still have sound and icons and Pmusic working.Thank you!!!!
By the way working in frugal hard-disk install and USB install.Thank you again.

EDIT=One by one the USB sticks are loosing sound and pmusic and gnome player started failing, the hard disk frugal install still woks. It must be a USB thing.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 20:29    Post subject:

1. "Did you upgrade to get to 526?"
Yes.
526 behaved pretty well.
When I upgraded to the 1st 528 version is when the problems began.
Also having problems when I upgraded from 526 to 528.002

2. "do you ever cancel/bail out of alsawizard?"
No, I always complete the procedure.

3. ASAP I'll follow your instructions as closely as I can, and report back.
rerwin
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 18:54    Post subject:

Sylvander wrote:
1. Oh dear! The problem has returned. Sad

2. What to do now? Confused
From your comments and diag file I conclude that you have installed many packages and then upgraded from 526. Did you upgrade to get to 526? This presents a confounding situation, in that much can have happened that will not be revealed by the usual diags. I think we need to try to start fresh to determine whether your particular sound driver is a factor.

Please create a clean puppy and try that for a while, to see if you can break it:
- Boot from CD or a frugal installation of the original lupu 528 iso, with pfix=ram (or pupsave 0, if that is an option).
- Immediately reboot and create a pupsave file (so that any IU2 file removals will stay removed).
- Then install Instant Update 002 and rerwin_patch-1
- Immediately reboot.
- After waiting 5 minutes without doing anything else, run pmodemdiag and rename its tar.gz file slightly, to make it unique.
- Assuming the speaker icon is still there, do some reboots and try alsawizard (always running it to completion - woof-woof) to see if the icon will disappear.
- Whenever the speaker disappears -- other than during running of alsawizard -- immediately get another pmodemdiag file.
- If the speaker icon behaves as you expect, try doing more of your usual activities that lead up to its disappearance. That could include installing some of the packages you need, but try only a few at a time, interleaved with reboots and alsawizard.

And then there is a desperation measure: list the names of all files in the pupsave file. The command to do this might be:
ls -AR /initrd/pup_rw > /tmp/ls_pup_rw.txt
Then gzip the txt file for attachment. That will entail looking for "a needle in a haystack", but it might show some left-over files from the upgrade process(es) that could confuse puppy.

I think our best course is to methodically (tediously) add to your pupsave until we find what breaks retrovol. BTW, do you ever cancel/bail out of alsawizard? That could be important.
Richard
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 18:39    Post subject:

Release Candidate for Super Multimedia Upgrade 002 for Lucid 5.2.8

This has been withdrawn because of a problem with the newer mplayer leaving a box on the screen after selecting from a DVD menu. The "good half" of the upgrade is available as Pmusic-Upgrade which provides Pmusic 2.2.2 and the necessary dependencies for those who want to use the cool new features of Pmusic 2.2.2.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=583838#583838

Also available int he first message of this thread.
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 15:42    Post subject:

Quote:
The GetFlash script has been inoperative for two days because, I believe, Adobe must have moved the location of the flashplayer binary. 01micko has fixed it quickly.


I was wondering why it was repeatedly spamming me with splash screens until I killed the task. Will install it when I get home.

Yes. The easiest way to kill the multiple splash screens was to restart X. I was testing something the first time it happened and I about died, thinking "How could I have caused this?!" But I finally figured there was no relation. Whew.
grimoire
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 10:44    Post subject:

Yes! flashplayer is one of the main problem in linux.
Jades
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 07:56    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:
The GetFlash script has been inoperative for two days because, I believe, Adobe must have moved the location of the flashplayer binary. 01micko has fixed it quickly.


I was wondering why it was repeatedly spamming me with splash screens until I killed the task. Will install it when I get home.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 07:20    Post subject:

1. Oh dear! The problem has returned. Sad

2. What to do now? Confused
Sylvander
PostPosted: Tue 15 Nov 2011, 04:17    Post subject:

1. "Perhaps I aught to restore the backup lupusave->[produces a working system] and only THEN apply your patch?"
That's done, and so far all's looking good. Very Happy
Here's hoping it stays that way.
Will report back if it doesn't.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Mon 14 Nov 2011, 19:30    Post subject:

rerwin...
1. I installed your patch using the PET file [confirmed in PPM], but I see no change.
i.e.
(a) Still no speaker icon, even after running the Alsa sound wizard, and rebooting [the changes to the session were auto-saved at reboot].

(b) Still the Alsamixer window flashes on-screen then off.

(c) Still the Gnome Alsamixer window is blank.

2. Should I run pmodemdiag again?
Found the previous .tar.gz file in /root and deleted it.

3. Perhaps I aught to restore the backup lupusave->[produces a working system] and only THEN apply your patch?
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