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scsijon
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 19:28    Post subject: ppm

I just noticed that 528's ppm doesn't include packages-puppy-common-official.

Something for the next patchfile?
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 18:44    Post subject:

Quote:
To set LibreOffice Writer as the default word processor that opens by clicking the write icon on the desktop, you can right-click /usr/local/bin/defaltwordprocessor and choose Open as text. Then change abiword to swriter and Save.

I changed it to libreoffice and that worked for me.
rerwin
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 18:27    Post subject: Patch updated with latest wary version of snapmergepuppy

I have added snapmergepuppy to patch-1 to make "-2". It is the version in wary 5.2, last changed in May. It now omits the /dev/snd directory from its operation. Maybe that will improve sound reliability with USB flash drives.

Install "-2" with or without patch-1, since it replaces "-1", but can go "on top of it". For the change to be effective, the /dev/snd directory should probably be deleted manually and "snapped", before installing "-2", since that directory is probably already on the drive. Not a problem if you are starting afresh.

Regarding
Quote:
Install lupu-528 and
then make a save file and
then reboot and
then do the Instant Upgrade?
and then reboot and
then install the MultiMedia Upgrade?
The reason I advise making a pupsave file before installing some packages is that if they contain a pinstall script that removes files or directories, the removals are ignored during creation of the pupsave file.

I sometimes include such removals as a precaution to ensure obsolete files are eliminated. But most dotpet packages do not remove files/directories, so can be installed either way.

The exception to the rule is the case where you only want to install packages, immediately make a remaster and then shut down without making a pupsave file.
Richard
Volhout
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 18:23    Post subject: default program chooser

@BigPup: the last one you showed is the one that is implemented in puppeee. Great tool. I am not sure what Jemimah did, but when you install a browser or any other program she had in her repository, it automatically was selectable in the default program chooser. I did not know you could manually enter text in the fields, I allways used the pull-down selection. And that was what I expected in 528 also. Especially if you install from the main menu (not from an UBUNTU repository or so) in 528.

@PlayDayz: thank you for showing the work around. I already used this method before in 525 (for OpenOffice at that time). But I was wondering if it would be possible to improve the libreoffice upgrade in 528 by making it more user friendly. And I am still puzzled if the file associations for the file types handled by libreoffice are adapted if libreoffice would be the default wordprocessor/spreadsheet/presentation manager. Where would that be uopdated ? Is that XDGopen ? It would be nice if I open a mail with powerpoint attached, and it would automatically open in Libreoffice.

If I sound confused, I appologize. I don't know how this works "under the hood", but would like (no offense..!) to open files with the best software package to handle them. And Openoffice supports more file formats then Abiword, and displays less garbage when I throw microsoft documents at it. I understand Abiword is in puppy for very good reasons (size) but inadequate for my work and my wifes work. And it would be great if Libreoffice could be installed as seemless as Abiword was implemented.

Regards,

Volhout
roadkill13
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 17:31    Post subject:

Upgrade works perfectly on my Acer Aspire One D255.
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 17:26    Post subject:

Here is a command line tool that can change default apps.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54587

Here is a GUI program for selecting default apps. Not clear if it is finished product.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=426145#426145

Default Chooser
This is probably the best one
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56282
Edit:
The default chooser seems to work OK in Puppy 5.2.8. Only problem is some programs do not show in drop-down menus, but you can manually input program name into item entry slot and it works to change default to that program.
Have to select update button for changes to take affect.
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 16:03    Post subject:

Quote:
But if I want to make Libreoffice Writer my default wordprocessor, I can only choose between Abiword, and some other

Volhout, To set LibreOffice Writer as the default word processor that opens by clicking the write icon on the desktop, you can right-click /usr/local/bin/defaltwordprocessor and choose Open as text. Then change abiword to swriter and Save. (I don't have Libre installed so I can't check, but I am almost certain swriter is the name/command for the Libre writer. I believe it is called swriter because Libre Office is ultimately descended from Star Office, which was part of the gui developed by Xerox PARC that was later adapted to form the Macintosh.)
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 15:57    Post subject:

Quote:
Never ever under no cicumstance upgrade

For me...
Successful upgrades are the rule, not the exception.

IMHO, in Puppy the upgrade between versions, say from Lucid 5.2.5 to 5.2.8 is more problematic than simply starting fresh with 5.2.8. I mean, it should work, but there are a lot of complex things that need to be done--I would say that it does work most of the time and developers certainly test for that. I recommend backing up any important data before an update, but that holds true for any operating system.

The Instant Updates for Lucid and the Super Multimedia Upgrade are designed of course to be installed in working systems.

Quote:
The recommended procedure then is

1. Install lupu-528.iso
2. Install the Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8
3. Install this Multimedia Upgrade.

But what does it mean?

Install lupu-528 and
then make a save file and
then reboot and
then do the Instant Upgrade?
and then reboot and
then install the MultiMedia Upgrade?

or does it mean as Nooby's poor grasp of English gets it?

1. Install the iso and then boot into it and while booted
2. do the Instant Update and
3. then the Multimedia Upgrade and
4. then make a save file for the first time by rebooting?

Edit I am in lupu-528 now and did my interpretation above.
Seems to work not sure how to test if it does work?

Actually I test it both ways nooby. The long way, saving between steps, is probably safer, but to be honest I usually do it the short way, that is, all at once.

If you are testing the Multimedia Upgrade, just make sure that gnome-mplayer plays videos and Pmusic plays audio tracks. You might ask yourself if the video quality seems any better with Multimedia upgrade installed.
Jasper
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 12:53    Post subject:

Hi Volhout,

It may not be much help, and you may already know, that from the main LibreOffice screen (see picture) using "Tools>Options>Memory>Enable systray Quickstart" will give a tray icon.

My regards
Volhout
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 12:17    Post subject: Libreoffice
Subject description: not default - able

Running 528 + update 002.

Install Libreoffice from menu (menu->documents->install Libreoffice).

After succesful installation (automatic download tar file and convert to SFS), Libreoffice shows up in the menu's.

But if I want to make Libreoffice Writer my default wordprocessor, I can only choose between Abiword, and some other (not Writer).

I am in no rush to get this fixed since I can choose it from the menu, but you may find it usefull fixing since Libreoffice supports more document formats, (and interprets them more accurate) then Abiword. Not sure if the list of mime types is adapted when Libreoffice is installed, depending whether it is defaulted or not.

Volhout

P.S. Playdayz: I am very glad that you keep supporting the 5.2 series with updates.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 08:16    Post subject:

By-the-way...

1. When I tried to create a lupusave file at 1st shut-down, that attempt FAILED!

2. So I booted back in [again] using puppy pfix=ram [again], and installed Pupsaveconfig, and used that to make a lupusave file.

3. That made the lupusave in, and copied the SFS file to...
A folder named Puppy, in the root of the chosen partition on my chosen internal HDD.
--------------
Which partition, by-the-way, is being treated as if on an ataflash drive...
Because I'm using a version of the ISO file that has had the isolinux.cfg file edited.
That has never previously caused any problem.
--------------
So I used Wary to move those files to...
/mnt/home/04-Lupu
I don't expect the move would cause any problems.
Sylvander
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 08:03    Post subject:

rerwin wrote:
I think we need to try to start fresh to determine whether your particular sound driver is a factor.

Please create a clean puppy and try that for a while, to see if you can break it:
- Boot from CD or a frugal installation of the original lupu 528 iso, with pfix=ram (or pupsave 0, if that is an option).
- Immediately reboot and create a pupsave file (so that any IU2 file removals will stay removed).
- Then install Instant Update 002 and rerwin_patch-1
- Immediately reboot.

I got this far, and the speaker icon had disappeared at reboot.
It had been present all of the time prior to that.

What now? Confused Sad

I'll assume I aught to run pmodemdiag and post the .tar.gz file here.
Back in a minute.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Code:
sh-4.1# pmodemdiag
 Running PupScan silently to get hardware IDs and drivers.
 Collecting various modem-related files into an archive tarball:
  pmodemdiag-20111116.tar.gz.
 Diagnostic file collection complete.
 Tarball /root/pmodemdiag-20111116.tar.gz can be attached to a posting or
  personal message (PM) in the Puppy forum, for analysis of dialup-modem
  or other issues.
 The content can be viewed in /tmp/pmodemdiag-20111116/.
sh-4.1#
Sage
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 07:39    Post subject:

nooby is correct. We have been warned many times by all the main Puppy developers NOT to rely on upgrades; sometimes the advice is explicitly to NOT upgrade. Even the major distro developers recommend back-ups as they don't always guarantee upgrades (but a few do - sometimes).
My experiences with upgrading FULL installs of most Puppy flavours is that the process appears to proceed smoothly, but a few days down the road and pears are back in season.
nooby
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 06:46    Post subject:

The recommended procedure then is

1. Install lupu-528.iso
2. Install the Instant Update 002 for Lucid 5.2.8
3. Install this Multimedia Upgrade.

But what does it mean?

Install lupu-528 and
then make a save file and
then reboot and
then do the Instant Upgrade?
and then reboot and
then install the MultiMedia Upgrade?

or does it mean as Nooby's poor grasp of English gets it?

1. Install the iso and then boot into it and while booted
2. do the Instant Update and
3. then the Multimedia Upgrade and
4. then make a save file for the first time by rebooting?

Edit I am in lupu-528 now and did my interpretation above.
Seems to work not sure how to test if it does work?
Sylvander
PostPosted: Wed 16 Nov 2011, 05:20    Post subject:

nooby wrote:
Never ever under no cicumstance upgrade

For me...
Successful upgrades are the rule, not the exception. Cool

I only begin afresh if I'm forced. Sad

I've had someone tell me to scrap a HDD, that is still working just fine years later [in an external enclosure].

I hear what you say and will bear [carry] it in mind.
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