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James C
PostPosted: Thu 01 Dec 2011, 03:51    Post subject:

Fresh manual frugal install of 528.003 on a different old Athlon XP box.Sound, internet and display all working and correct on initial boot.Rebooted 8 or 10 times....no sound problems.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Lucid , version 528

Chip description:
oem: Copyright 1998 TRIDENT MICROSYSTEMS INC.

Driver used by Xorg:


Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth:

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

-Computer-
Processor : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+
Memory : 507MB (165MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.52
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Thu 01 Dec 2011 01:44:16 AM CST
-Display-
Resolution : 1024x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Unknown
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : VIA686A - VIA 82C686A/B rev50
zekebaby
PostPosted: Thu 01 Dec 2011, 01:40    Post subject: Re: Sound and Volume Icon disappearing
Subject description: They are gone by the fourth boot or so.

elcurita wrote:
Lucid 528 Ver.03 New Iso USB stick install.7 Sticks 4 laptops 3 desktops. All Sticks lost sound and Vol icon after the 4th reboot or so. Frugal install on the desktops do not get affected with this.

Try removing the /dev folder before shutting down and see if the volume icons come back at the next boot. Lucid is the only mainstrem Puppy that does not run on this Toughbook CF-T2 so I can't verify the problem and fix, but this looks like an old problem I tracked down for Barry back in March.
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 22:21    Post subject:

Quote:
All Sticks lost sound and Vol icon after the 4th reboot or so. Frugal install on the desktops do not get affected with this.

Thanks for the testing elcurito. That seems conclusive. I wonder if you could test the usb sticks with Three-Headed Dog?

Here is the upcoming updated iso of 3HD -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/luci-001.001.iso

It would also be good if someone who can recreate the problem could test the original lupu-528.iso with no updates applied -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/lupu-528.iso
elcurita
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 19:06    Post subject: Sound and Volume Icon disappearing
Subject description: They are gone by the fourth boot or so.

Lucid 528 Ver.03 New Iso USB stick install.7 Sticks 4 laptops 3 desktops. All Sticks lost sound and Vol icon after the 4th reboot or so. Frugal install on the desktops do not get affected with this.
bigpup
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 17:39    Post subject:

Sylvander wrote:
Spoke too soon! Sad

How come I reboot multiple times, and the speaker icon remains in place...
Then I post saying all is well, and reboot and it's GONE! Embarassed


Quote:
1. I've pretty much finished setting up a NEW INSTALL by burning Lupu-528.003.iso to a CD-RW, and making a new pupsave in a folder on an ext3 partition on my 2nd internal HDD.

Small problems overcome/fixed:
(a) It wouldn't make a pupsave at 1st shutdown. Sad
So I installed pupsaveconfig, and used that to make a pupsave ["lupusave"] file.

Some possible causes for problems.
1. How clean was CD-RW when you started the install?
Anything it was used for? Like another version of Puppy?
Too high a burn speed used?
2. Not making a pup save, on first shutdown, usually means it thinks one is already made.
3.Pupsaveconfig program could have issues with Lucid Puppy 528.
If you run it by a console command, do you get any messages?
4. Speaker icon missing at boot.
Does booting again have any effect?
Do you have more than one sound device?
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 16:49    Post subject:

Quote:
So Chrome is that much better.
How do you as user notice that it is better?

Nooby, i wouldn't say necessarily better, but I would say "faster." I just notice that it starts faster and it renders pages faster. Faster is not the only important thing, but IMHO it is a big factor in usability. I personally use Iron rather than Chrome.

And nooby, yes, the sound issue could have been long term, but all at once otropogo, ferro10n, and Sylvander ran into it after the Update 002 was released.

Quote:
(a) It wouldn't make a pupsave at 1st shutdown


Sylvander, I personally think that the sound problem has something to do with usb. I don't know what exaclty though and I could be wrong. I am very disappointed that the problem appeared with the lupu-528.003.iso. I also don't know how it could work for multiple reboots and then go bad. ferro10n says it only happens if he copies the lupu-528.sfs file to the usb disk. The symptoms could be explained if for some reason Lucid cannot find the sound driver when it boots.

If it happens with lupu-528.003.iso I doubt that it will ever be fixed. I don't think it has been reported with Three-Headed Dog, but fewer people use that. otropogo reported that he did not have the problem with 3HD. It *might* be something else you did right before it broke??? The fact that it wouldn't make the pupsave on first boot is suspicious. Do you use any other Puppy enough that the problem might appear? I wonder if it could be that fancy thing you do with the save file? Could you not do that and see what happens? Are you sure that there was no lupu_528.sfs on the disk, even inside a directory? You might refrain from adding any other pets until it has booted OK for a few days, or 10 times in a row or something. You might consider using Slacko with the lupufy pets.

Quote:
the clamour to lupify Slacko


ETP and ICPUG, Well, I haven't heard any clamour Wink But people could install the lupufy-slacko pet or they could install radky's PupControl by itself. Slacko is purposefully built very close to the Woof template which should make debugging easier, and also implementing Woof enhancements. I find that using Slacko with the 3 lupufy pets is virtually indistinguishable from using Lupu.

PupControl -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?search_id=370087718&t=61961
Sylvander
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 16:00    Post subject:

Spoke too soon! Sad

How come I reboot multiple times, and the speaker icon remains in place...
Then I post saying all is well, and reboot and it's GONE! Embarassed
Sylvander
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 12:56    Post subject:

Lupu-528 sound problem:
SOLVED by update 003! Very Happy
[Seems so for me anyway]

1. I've pretty much finished setting up a NEW INSTALL by burning Lupu-528.003.iso to a CD-RW, and making a new pupsave in a folder on an ext3 partition on my 2nd internal HDD.

Small problems overcome/fixed:
(a) It wouldn't make a pupsave at 1st shutdown. Sad
So I installed pupsaveconfig, and used that to make a pupsave ["lupusave"] file.

(b) Also experienced a temporary glitch with Pwidgets.
Big rotary RAM & CPU meters [obscuring the partition icons] appeared at bottom of the desktop.
I fiddled with Pwidgets, and they disappeared. Very Happy

2. Everything is looking good and working well, so far as I can see this far.
Loudspeaker icon remains in the tray at bottom right, and Retrovol seems to work, although config settings appear to revert rather than staying as set.
Perhaps I failed to "Save the session" after making the config changes; will watch that.

3. Lupu is so good, I'm determined to keep working on it to get it working to perfection.
This has been [and I hope will continue to be for some time] my number-1 Puppy.
As usual, I changed the isolinux.cfg file on the iso so "pmedia=ataflash", to make the pupsave on the internal HDD be treated as though a pupsave on a Flash Drive.
It's working to perfection, with no resulting sound problem. Cool
ICPUG
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:56    Post subject: Re: Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 003 - NOV 29, 2011

ETP wrote:
It is hard to see how this release of Lucid could be improved upon & the clamour to lupify Slacko shows just how well received it has been.


+1 to that - although one way Lupu can be improved is to make it work with hardware which it currently does not work with. That would require continuous maintenance and will not happen.

The way Puppy development works is that a new developer comes along with their take on things - so Slacko will work better on Intel 2nd gen, Core processors for example.

It irritates me when we have to introduce a Lupify pet for Slacko. In particular we spent years getting a control panel with all the configuration options in one place in Puppy. Thanks to Radky and Playdayz taking his work up it finally appeared in Lupu. Along comes Slacko and it is gone again!

This is the way of Puppy development - mostly good - but not perfect.
Tasgarth
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 08:39    Post subject:

Brown Mouse wrote:
Quote:
I'm having problems with '528' not being able to recognise a new 'Nikon coolpix L23' camera as a usb device.


Remove the flash card from your camera and play it directly on your PC. By putting it in an appropriate USB flash drive.
I always did that with my Nikon camera.
ETP
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 05:27    Post subject: Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 003 - NOV 29, 2011

playdayz wrote:
Quote:
There is an updated version of the Lucid 5.2.8 ISO now posted in the first message of this thread.


Many thanks for this update. You may wish to add the MD5 to the md5sums.txt file up on ibiblio as it only currently exists on page 1 of this thread.
It is hard to see how this release of Lucid could be improved upon & the clamour to lupify Slacko shows just how well received it has been.
nooby
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 04:46    Post subject:

I should start a new thread about another reason for losing sound
because I don't trust it was Lupu 528 but an old lupu513 that pemasu
made into Snowpup5 but I hope it is proper to ask here.

could that losing sound problem have been with us since Lupu513
because I installed Snowpup which use sfs513 and the sound driver or module or whatever seems gone no loudspeaker icon in the lower right corner on a AMD Atlon Desktop and I did have sound in WinXP on it.

I need winXP for Smartphone update of SonyEricson Experia x10 mini pro
because it has too old install to do wifi without SIM card.
Will the sound card get back if I start up winxp again?

I guess the sensible thing would be to dl the latest version of 528 III
and try that one first and not start up snow5 in case that one shut down
the Sound card?
nooby
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 04:41    Post subject:

playdayz thanks for the updates and for the Chrome and FF pets.

So Chrome is that much better.
How do you as user notice that it is better?
I mean apart from handling bookmarks differently?
Brown Mouse
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 04:28    Post subject:

I'm having problems with '528' not being able to recognise a new 'Nikon coolpix L23' camera as a usb device.It doesn't see it in 'Pmount' either.I've tried also from 'gtkam' but this particular model is not listed.
However,'Pupcamera' from within 'Slacko 530' identifies it correctly and it seems to work fine from there.
Is there anything I could install to 528 that may help?

Thanks
playdayz
PostPosted: Wed 30 Nov 2011, 00:21    Post subject:

Quote:
I have used Lucid 5.28 for a week including IU 002 without losing sound. I discovered that my liveCD+USB install loses sound only when I copy the main SFS (lupu_5xx.sfs) to my flashdrive so that it's loaded from there

Thanks ferro10n, Something like that is what I have come to suspect. The new ISO does not have some of the changes that in IU 002 *might* have caused the problem with usb installs. Neither does Three-Headed Dog, so I am hopeful that they might not have the problem. In fact I have gotten one report that Three-Headed Dog does not have the problem. Plus, you have discovered another way to avoid it.
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