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James C
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 14:58    Post subject:

mavrothal wrote:
bigpup wrote:
Quote:
rerwin knows who to ask

With Barry K gone, who does have the control to say what is an official Puppy?

Barry K


What did I miss. Has Barry K gone missing? Smile
mavrothal
PostPosted: Wed 26 Mar 2014, 14:41    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Quote:
rerwin knows who to ask

With Barry K gone, who does have the control to say what is an official Puppy?

Barry K
bigpup
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014, 18:55    Post subject:

Quote:
rerwin knows who to ask

With Barry K gone, who does have the control to say what is an official Puppy?
playdayz
PostPosted: Tue 25 Mar 2014, 11:12    Post subject:

My position is that 5.2.8.005 was the last official Lucid Puppy. Lucid 5.2.8.6 is a Puppy derivative, and no other puppy derivatives get space in the ibiblio repo. rerwin has created a viable Puppy subculture--but I don't think it should receive privileges that other unofficial Puppies do not get. This is also just my opinion. rerwin knows who to ask. I am out of it. Best, larry
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 23:32    Post subject:

Playdayz,

Want to do a test to see if Quickpet->Drivers->nvidia will work for Lupusuper2?

Put this pet package in the ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid repository.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/g4o0lwgi860se82/nvidia-glx-173.14.39-k3.2.48.pet
Make sure it is listed in the ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/Packages-puppy-lucid-official

This is the driver I need for my hardware.

I will see if Quickpet will find it when I am running Lupusuper2.

I think it will as long as the driver pet is in the repo.
The repo has the Nvidia drivers for Lucid 5286 and Lupu3hd 5286 and Quickpet has no problem finding them.
I have tried it in both and it worked OK.
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 19:49    Post subject:

Quote:
Quickpet->Drivers->Nvidia

No drivers available in repo for your card.

(I know there is a driver, for this card, in the repo, but it is not compiled for the kernel in Lupusuper2)

Need some graphics drivers compiled to support the different kernels being used in Lucid versions.

Must be someone, who has repo access, that could help.


We can do whatever is best for Lupu users. As soon as that is decided Wink One problem: Unless someone rewrites the drivers section in Quickpet--which is not a trivial task--it is not going to know what to do with all of the kernel variants and proprietary drivers and new video hardware, as it was originally written for one kernel and that was complicated enough to get right (ask 01micko). My personal suggestion is to just delete the drivers tab from Quickpet for all but the 2.6.33.2 original kernel.

Putting in proprietary drivers for every kernel into the repo would be a heck of a lot of files, especially nivida drivers. And if they are in the repo, how many times are people going to download the wrong driver for their kernel? And making all those drivers would be a whole lot of work--compiling and packaging them is not trivial either.

One suggestion would be to link to the drivers right below the link to the iso for those who need the drivers. Or create a separate page.

Another suggestion: Discourage proprietary drivers. Yes, they are maybe 33% faster, but the open source Xorg drivers work wonderfully in most cases--and there is only one set. So I tell people to just install Xorg-High and call it good. That's what I do. Xorg-High gives hardware acceleration just the same as the proprietary drivers. rerwin might even consider adding Xorg_High to the iso, as both Slacko and Precise have done.

Yes, there are some new video cards and chips that the Xorg in Lupu cannot handle (such as my Lenovo g580 laptop). Proprietary drivers *might* work in those *if Lupu has the requirements to compile them* and they are not Intel. That seems like a lot of work, when there are a wonderful bunch of Puppies, Slacko, Precise, Lxpup, and a number of others, that run splendidly on my laptop, and I can configure them to run just like Lupu.
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 02:03    Post subject:

Quote:
since I intend the "plus" variants I provide to be collections of SFS files commonly needed in some installations, and since the nVidia graphics hardware is everywhere, maybe those drivers should be added to the "plus" ISOs. What is your thought regarding doing that?

That would be one solution.
However, you would need to provide several driver packages as well as ones for AMD/ATI hardware.
How much size would all of them add to the ISO files?
bigpup
PostPosted: Mon 24 Mar 2014, 01:47    Post subject:

rerwin,

I do not think it would be too hard for you to get access to add files to the Lucid Puppy repository at ibiblio.org
It seems to just be a matter of requesting to have access.
Playdayz had it Very Happy Shocked

01micko has access.
Maybe ask him what you need to do.

This seems to be where you start.
http://www.ibiblio.org/share/
rerwin
PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2014, 16:01    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-3.2.48-20140321

Need some graphics drivers compiled to support the different kernels being used in Lucid versions.
I have already provided a set for lupusuper2 here:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/39gu2eot2s8w3/lupusuper2-k3.2.48 sfs
and
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/j93ga7o7nyckl/lupusuper2-k3.2.48 pets

I do not have access to the repo, so provide them that way. There is also a set for lupusuper4 (just navigate to them).

EDIT: BTW, since I intend the "plus" variants I provide to be collections of SFS files commonly needed in some installations, and since the nVidia graphics hardware is everywhere, maybe those drivers should be added to the "plus" ISOs. What is your thought regarding doing that? The current added files are for LibreOffice. Are there any other SFS files that would qualify?

Thank you for your report on saving to a partition. I wonder if the same behavior occurs under the regular lupu, 528-005 or precise pup. I am glad that it still does the job, albeit unnervingly.
Richard
jeff757
PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2014, 10:05    Post subject: Nvidia Drivers

For Nvidia drivers with kernel 3.2.48 go here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=72405 and look under PRECOMPILED: next to last /precise/opt.
For standard lupu with 2.6.33.2 use the last entry /lupu/opt.

jeff
bigpup
PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2014, 02:06    Post subject:

Lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-3.2.48-20140321
manual frugal install to USB flash drive
initial boot
First shutdown.

Asked about how I wanted to save.
Selected save to sdb3 (use the entire partition) not a save file.

Next screen was blank with a blinking white line top left corner.
No message or anything saying save in progress.

This stayed for about 2 minutes and computer powered off.

Rebooted and seems the save was successful. The stuff that was added or changed was there.

Just info for others that this option to save to the entire partition does work, but nothing is going to tell you it is saving.

On a slow computer,
I could see this blinking white line would look like something not working. Could blink for many minutes before computer powers off.

Sure needs a message displayed indicating save in progress.
bigpup
PostPosted: Sun 23 Mar 2014, 01:36    Post subject:

Lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-3.2.48-20140321
manual frugal install
initial boot

Quickpet->Drivers->Nvidia

No drivers available in repo for your card.

(I know there is a driver, for this card, in the repo, but it is not compiled for the kernel in Lupusuper2)

Need some graphics drivers compiled to support the different kernels being used in Lucid versions.

Must be someone, who has repo access, that could help.
rerwin
PostPosted: Sat 22 Mar 2014, 15:23    Post subject: Disk Images 20140321 Uploaded for General Use

The following disk images are being uploaded:
    lupu-5.2.8.6-20140321.iso
    lupumini-5.2.8.6-20140321.iso
    lupuplus-5.2.8.6-4.1.5-20140321.iso
    lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140321.iso
    lupusuper2plus-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140321.iso
    lupusuper4-5.2.8.6-k3.9.9-20140321.iso
The new ISO files are here:
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/dc28t2rkua3kw/Disk_Images-5.2.8.6

The updated content history is at the end of the first posting on page 158:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=726108#726108

The notable addition since the beta versions is an updated HP printer database for CUPS, hpliplite. The other additions are uppdates from shinobar.

Unless some mistake is uncovered by users of these latest disk images/ISO files, I expect this to be the last update until we discover something that "needs" to be added, except that I will add the final version of libreoffice 4.1 (4.1.6) when it is released in May, affecting only the "plus" and "libre" versions.

My preference is to focus on the main/original lupu ISOs and the super2 and super4 ISOs, as they are based on ubuntu kernels and seem to be the most popular. I am open to continuing any of the others, but encourage users to migrate to lupu, sulu2 or sulu4. Please let me know if there remain situations that are not adequately handled by them; I will resume support of any of the others actually needed by someone.

And, as usual, I am open to continuing to work problems. If anyone develops a compatible kernel from the newest Ubuntu LTS, Trusty Tahr, I can take a shot at a "super5" hybrid lupu.
Richard

UPDATE 4/1/2014 & 4/2/2014: Uploaded:
    lupulibre-5.2.8.6-4.1.5-20140321.iso
    lupu3hd-5.2.8.6-20140321.iso
    lupusuper1-5.2.8.6-20140321.iso
    lupusuper3-5.2.8.6-20140321.iso
rerwin
PostPosted: Tue 11 Mar 2014, 18:46    Post subject: Beta version of next 5.2.8.6 uploaded for regression testing

lupu-5.2.8.6 users,
The next set of 5.2.8.6 uploads includes modifications to several networking tools. Before releasing the full set of lupu/sulus, I ask those of you using frisbee, pgprs, pppoe, gpptp or pupdial to verify that they continue to operate as you expect.

Frisbee (1.2) now supports pppoe and mobile wireless, in a way that is integrated with those tools. It also now supports static IP addresses and connects wireless more reliably at bootup, thanks to work by npierce, and unblocks wireless interfaces (as does SNS), thanks to peebee. More details on the new frisbee are here:

I discovered the virtual private network interface, gpptp, by jafadmin and have upgraded to the version used in precise pup and beyond, after receiving some guidance from him. I am considering adding to frisbee a new tab for "Virtual Networks" that would provide a way to fine-tune the gpptp configuration, as well as contain a button to start gpptp. I would very much like to hear from any of you who use a VPN, to get your assessment of gpptp and openvpn, to determine whether it would be worthwhile to add gpptp but not interfere with openvpn.

For now, I have uploaded only a beta version of the basic lupu, 20140309-beta:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/lbzb6c78uc10spp/lupu-5.2.8.6-20140309-beta.iso Obsolete - use released versions:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=766433#766433

UPDATE 3/13/2014: Now also uploaded, lupusuper2, 20140309-beta:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/jslf3dqyblln5sg/lupusuper2-5.2.8.6-k3.2.48-20140309-beta.iso Obsolete - use released versions

UPDATE 3/24/2014: Deactivated the links to the betas, now superseded by released versions.

The details of the new changes are at the end of the history message:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=726108#726108

Thank you for any testing help you can provide.
Richard
Semme
PostPosted: Sat 08 Mar 2014, 11:59    Post subject:

Ken, menu'n all, one of these should put you in business.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=726981

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90753
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