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Sage
PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 10:12    Post subject:

Quote:
...the third, lupuplus can't shutdown

Ah! Perhaps that's where ditto Saluki got it from?
This is serious, but no idea how to fix it.
recobayu
PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 09:43    Post subject: lucid can't reboot

i do full install lupuplus 528.005.
at first and second shutdown, it is no problem, but the third, lupuplus can't shutdown. after black screen, lupu back again to desktop, but no sound. when i poweroff again, it still back to desktop and no sound, over and over again. so i force shutdown by press and hold my power button.
lucid is the one of my favorite puppy. can anyone tell me how to fix that?
thanks in advance.
kevin bowers
PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 08:58    Post subject:

ICPUG wrote:

Used in this way I think some of the difficulties/problems of Abiword disappear.


As long as you don't allow AbiWord to save anything critical, yes, but it only takes about a second longer to load SWriter.

Yes, Gnumeric is redundant in LupuLibre, but at least it's reliable if you do accidentally use it instead of Calc.

Just a thought to throw out: wasn't it just 2 or 3 weeks ago we were lamenting the passing of the late great Lupu? It looks to me like it will be a viable (and very useable) distro for quite some time, largely due to the efforts of Playdayz. Many thanks to him and the other devs!
ICPUG
PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 08:18    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Just an idea.

If LupuLibre has Libre Office, is there a need to also have Abiword in it.


My PC at work has Windows , Microsoft Office and Wordpad.

I find I use Microsoft office for the heavy duty reports and Wordpad when I want to write a quick note but want some formatting capability.

I think Libre Office and Abiword may be the Linux equivalents of Microsoft Office and Wordpad, although Abiword may be a bit over the top for Wordpad if there is a smaller replacement available.

Used in this way I think some of the difficulties/problems of Abiword disappear.

The more difficult question is whether Gnumeric can be dispensed with. I haven't really used Libre Office Calc enough yet to form an opinion as to whether Gnumeric is now redundant.
bigpup
PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 01:53    Post subject: Re: Lucid 5.2.8
Subject description: I shall see if this one works fine

Playdayz,

Noticed Pelo added to his earlier comments. Seems Lupu 528.005 solved his problems.

Pelo wrote:

Tout fonctionne ! Miracle
Everything works well, wonderfull. ( at the first glance...)
bigpup
PostPosted: Tue 24 Apr 2012, 01:41    Post subject:

Just an idea.

If LupuLibre has Libre Office, is there a need to also have Abiword in it.
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 19:03    Post subject:

Quote:
I tried each lucid and i was always deceived with bugs : no Shutdown in 511, 525 quite good, 528 no sound.
But i try this one.
The very best is Slacko. Racy works well.

Bonjour Pelo, Thank you for your comments. It is good that Slacko is working well for you. It is a very good Puppy. It is newer than Lucid and still being actively developed by 01micko.

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I have just posted a "quick tweak" maintenance update for LupuPlus Libre--you will notice a "-1" at the end of the name now. 3 very small things were changed: 1) Libre Office does not now check for an upgrade automatically--the reason is that upgrading would use massive amounts of pupsave--if someone does want to upgrade it can be done manually; 2) sylpheed does not check for an update automatically either--I found it distracting especially since the "update" was just the source code--the current Sylpheed is the latest; 3) Homebank is updated to 4.4. There will be a similar quick fix update to Lupu Plus in the next day or so. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=622054#622054

If you downloaded the original, you can change the behavior yourself of Libre Update: Tools -> Options -> Online Update. To change Sylpheed: Configuration -> Common Preferences -> Details -> Update. And here is Homebank 4.4 for anyone who wants it. http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/homebank-4.4.pet

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gcmartin wrote:
Quote:
Abiword has a history of incompatibilities with formats


I believe it helps to change the default save format in Abiword to odt (opendocument) which I have done in all 005 versions.
gcmartin
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 18:37    Post subject:

Lupu005LIbre, SAMBA 3.6.3 (both 01Micko's and Pemasu's versions work) and AngryIP are sprite and stable.

Thanks. This combination is a Vista/Windows7 replacement. My Apple, Windows PC and games all see the stuff/documents shared from this Puppy.

Great work Playdayz!

Should your step into the future, how about "real" OOTB browser instead of what comes currently. The ability to choose, though a good one, delays the use of the system and search needs.

Thanks, again for all of this great stuff you do for us.
majorfoo
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 17:52    Post subject:

Running lupuplus-528-005 full install ext4 partition

no problems to report

Really like the new help features that are now working on many of the apps.

It keeps getting better and better.

Thanks to your hard work, many people around the world have a first class puppy to play with. An occasional trip to the vet (Dr. Playdayz). no food or water, no trips outside for bathroom break, an occasional walk and countless hours of enjoyment for the owner.
humblesoul
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 17:12    Post subject:

Downloading. Thank you playdaze!
Sage
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 14:48    Post subject:

Quote:
People have a distressing tendency to act like people under any system.

The 'human condition' always screws things up.
No-one or no body has yet managed to get communism working in an entire nation. JC was, of course, a modern day communist, having all possessions shared in common, etc. The nearest to succeed nationally is/was our dear leader Fidel, against the odds and massive bullying from a mafia that wants its molls back. He produced a 99% literacy rate and the best 'free' (paid from general taxation) health service the world has ever known.

PD: sorry, can't offer anything but admiration for your work, today.
Pelo
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 13:37    Post subject: Lucid 5.2.8
Subject description: I shall see if this one works fine

I tried each lucid and i was always deceived with bugs : no Shutdown in 511, 525 quite good, 528 no sound.
But i try this one.
The very best is Slacko. Racy works well.
Sorry to be désagréable. I come back and tell if 005 has solved all these boring bugs

good evening.

Tout fonctionne ! Miracle
Everything works well, wonderfull. ( at the first glance...)
gcmartin
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 13:04    Post subject:

PlayDayz wrote:
... have been interested in building in Libre Office for 2 main reasons: 1) some people need an industrial strength Office suite and want it built-in and fully integrated with the desktop; 2) because it loads into ram it runs better in Puppy than in any other Linux distro ...
There another 2 reasons
    :
  • Abiword has a history of incompatibilities with formats, doc rendering, bugs, etc.
  • The support team for Libre + OpenOffice addresses problems, features and issues in what appears to be a better manner in delivering a useful product.
I do understand why Abiword, Gnu... has been included; primarily, a download size issue. But, for many of us, stability and conformity for information presentation is much more important than download size.

Thanks Playdayz
playdayz
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 11:57    Post subject:

Please note the LupuPlus Libre has been added to the Lupu Plus 5.2.8.005 announcement above. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/posting.php?p=622054&mode=topicreview&postorder=DESC#622054

In keeping with the Plus designation, LupuPlus Libre also has Java included, which Libre Office likes to have. For one thing specifically, Java is necessary for fully functioning Help capability in Libre Office--the Find function in Help does not work without it. The iso is gigantic by Puppy standards, but on my 4GB machine it loads into ram and runs nicely. In fact, it should load into ram on any machine with 768MB or more of ram, which is surely a high percentage of all extant machines.

I have been interested in building in Libre Office for 2 main reasons: 1) some people need an industrial strength Office suite and want it built-in and fully integrated with the desktop; 2) because it loads into ram it runs better in Puppy than in any other Linux distro--to me this shows that the basic Puppy can be a very fine foundation for specialized and customized distros (as the recent release of Studio 13.37 based on Slacko also shows).
prehistoric
PostPosted: Mon 23 Apr 2012, 11:56    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
...I can understand having code that uses SSE2 in a program. Should make it run faster, due to less complicated code processing.
SSE1, SSE2 ,SSE3 and what ever else they come up with, is suppose to be processor short hand.
I've attached the processor report from the least powerful machine on which I've succeeded in running Chromium 18. This gives you some idea of the complexity of these designs which is visible to software designers. I can't immediately give you the corresponding document for the machine I'm running at the moment. You won't find things getting simpler. Trust me.

Sage, I was expecting you to turn up, and I am familiar with your opinions. I even agree about many things. I have to keep reminding myself that most people do not realize that capitalism is not a system of government. It is a phenomenon possible under some governments, and impossible, or at least criminal, under others. The real difference is pluralism.

Here's a quote from someone I knew who emigrated from the Soviet Union:
Quote:
Under capitalism one man exploits another. Under communism it's the other way around.
People have a distressing tendency to act like people under any system. The worst system I have observed from close range was North Korea, currently ruled by an hereditary god king said to espouse communism, socialism and Juche. He is actually nothing more than the current acting administrator of the DPRK, since the dead Kim Il Sung was long ago declared Eternal President. This goes beyond any Communist/Socialist gerontocracy I know. Innovation is not a priority there.

As for what standards our own government would have chosen, had it been in the business of tightly controlling information technology, I can shudder at some chosen in the past. I went through some of the battles necessary to get them to accept the 8080 as a computer. At the time their reliability requirements for integrated circuits could be traced back to those implemented during development of the Polaris system. We had reliability data showing that an 8080 chip was about as reliable as the quad input NAND/NOR gates they were still buying as separate circuits. At that time, the price of those which passed their horrendous tests was about $100 per 16-pin chip.

The process of technological development and innovation resembles organic evolution far more than any rational procedure. For those who believe socialist countries have demonstrated deeper insight into evolution than the decadent West, I recommend study of the career of Trofim Lysenko. While he is widely considered to have been thoroughly discredited long before he died, he remained a member of several academies, with his own chauffeur, and continued to direct a research institute of some size. Support for official dogma can carry substantial and lasting rewards in any society. The effect of his ideas on Soviet agriculture goes some distance toward explaining how a country with enormous land resources could be chronically short of some foods.

As for what to do about the Wintel cartel, I don't know, but I am confident it will eventually fail. Somebody is bound to actually read a EULA, and deduce that they don't promise you anything. They would be within their rights under those licenses to ship nothing but bugs. So why should you pay them?
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