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PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 07:51    Post subject: Please fix Java support

My 2 cents:

Half request, half need.

Please fix java support for Base...or post a message when it is run as to what is necessary to activate it. I use a commercial "base", and would love to be able to finally have a full database in Puppy. I tested what I could. Seems to work better than older versions. I am sure a lot of folks will use this. The easier it is to use, the more folks will use it, I am sure. Thanks.

Above all THANKS for all the hard work on Puppy!
PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 04:33    Post subject:

Three-Headed Dog Version

I had a quick boot on the Dell Studio XPS.

No wireless....Broadcom b43.
Nothing shows at all.

Screen 1280 x 720

Sound....Nice and loud

PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 03:34    Post subject: Re: JRE or JAVA PETs issues in Puppy LInux distros

gcmartin wrote:
I have discovered a problem with JAVA support in latest version of LupuPLUS-Libre.

It is described here. And,is similar with some past efforts.

I have not reviewed the LupuPLUS-Libre, but as for the the quiqkpet offers in the lupu-528-005, there is an issue for RAM mode, that is without pupsave.
Some pet packages assumes you already have pupsave. The installed files without pupsave will be disappear after you make pupsave.
Recent version of PPM checks it out and warns as follows, but the PPM in the lupu-528-005 does not.
PostPosted: Fri 27 Apr 2012, 01:33    Post subject:

Found this statement on Java in the LibreOffice Getting Started Guide.

Some LibreOffice features (wizards and the HSQLDB database engine) require that the Java
Runtime Environment (JRE) 1.6.x or higher be installed on your computer. Although LibreOffice will work without Java support, some features will not be available. If you have an older PC and do not
need the features requiring the JRE, you can disable it to speed up the loading of the program.

Base (database)
Base provides tools for day-to-day database work within a simple interface. It can create and edit
forms, reports, queries, tables, views, and relations, so that managing a connected database is much the same as in other popular database applications. Base provides many new features, such as the ability to analyze and edit relationships from a diagram view. Base incorporates HSQLDB as its default relational database engine. It can also use dBASE, Microsoft Access, MySQL, or Oracle, or any ODBC-compliant or JDBC-compliant database. Base also provides support for a subset of ANSI-92 SQL.
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 22:32    Post subject:


I believe I (and others with Intel Sandybridge 6 Series /c200 chips) could get sound in Lupu 5.2.8 if

# cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.24.

as in Racy, Sulu, and Upup Precise instead of:

# cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21.

in Lupu 528

Is that change do-able? .....Please?
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 18:26    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:

I am interested in your comment ICPUG about java and Base--perhaps java should be included in all Libre versions for full functionality.

My comment on Java and Base is based on the information from:

For certain features of the software - but not most - Java is required. Java is notably required for Base.

Personally, I like a fully functioning LibreOffice so I think Java should be included. When you have done that I don't see much point in LupuLibre + Java. Is it much MB less than LupuPLusLibre?

I will be using Lupu and LupuPLusLibre. I do see the point of LupuPlus for those that need the drivers but not LibreOffice though so maybe support of 3 options is valid.

I think you are in danger of trying to provide too many options Playdayz, especially with 3HD as well. I don't want you to get burnout - you are too valuable!

I think the ultimate solution would be to modularise.
You have Lupu and 3HD bases and then have a Plus sfs and a LibreOffice/Java sfs. You choose the base sfs you want and whichever addon sfs(s) you want. Not sure how you get all the sfs to load into RAM though (if you have enough that is). Now everything can be kept up-to-date at once. Should LibreOffice get an update all you have to do is update the LibreOffice/Java sfs and not (as at the moment) LupuLibre, LupuPlusLibre and 3HDLibre.

These are not requests - just floating ideas.
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 16:16    Post subject: Re: Where was JAVA fixed

double Post
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 16:16    Post subject: Where was JAVA fixed

playdayz wrote:
Another incredible thing for me is that we now have a fully functional Office suite to ... as including java, etc. ...
Thanks Playdayz

This integration is coming at the right time, for, Internet rates are at an all-time high, and 2006+ PCs, are more than a match for the Office Performance we get from your offering in Puppy+3HD+...

  1. As was reported to you, there is a problem with JAVA as was delivered with your first Office PUP ("lupulibre"). Today, I noticed a version for 3HD. Did you or someone "FIX" the JAVA problem that was reported? And, if so, which versions contain that fix in PUP528 and 3HD?
  2. Will LupuPlusLIbre update have the JAVA fixed in it?
Thanks in advance
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 14:16    Post subject:

Sage wrote:
Should be a clue in there somewhere for rerwin/Jemimah?

the clue was given to you PEBKAC. your the only one reporting this in Saliku.
and you failed to report in Saliku thread "your grief" is not present in 021
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 11:24    Post subject:

Interesting. Ran the patch "" on above machine. Menu shutdown now removes tray completely - nothing else. CTRL-ALT-BKSPCE, then <poweroff> guarantees return to desktop every time!

Later: did the Saluki 20 - 21 upgrade (FULL). Whatever that does, it overwrote the above grief and [so far!] it's shutting down to order! Should be a clue in there somewhere for rerwin/Jemimah?
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 11:10    Post subject:

Please include in any reports about this, the type of CPU
Ta, rerwin.

Don't believe in multiple cores, never use them. For Puppies it's overkill^2 and defeats the prime directive.
Never use wireless, either. Keep safe, keep wired! Sagger rules!
It was a 754 that exhibited the shutdown feature. Haven't had time to apply your patch(es) yet. Puppies coming so thick and fast only have a Saluki 20 as a current release on FULL. Not seen the shutdown item on any other Puppy/HW and I've tried all of 'em.
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 10:41    Post subject:

Another incredible thing for me is that we now have a fully functional Office suite to business standards with in-built offline help, AS WELL AS the normal stuff, all in an ~350MB download

In a future version perhaps, no time soon, it might be fun to see how small we could get it without losing any function. BigPup has already suggested removing Abiword and gnumeric from the Libre versions. One advantage we have over other Linux distros is that even the Libre versions can run from ram, therefore they can be quicker--which solves one problem I have always had with Libre/Open office. Another obvious advantage is that Puppy is lean to begin with.

I am interested in your comment ICPUG about java and Base--perhaps java should be included in all Libre versions for full functionality.

we are not an official Puppy nobody gets to hear of it on Distrowatch

I certainly hope that we will see Libre versions of the official Puppies--I regard Lupu Libre as kind of a test bed where we can figure out such things as including java, etc. I am developing a system for easily making Libre versions of other Puppies.
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:47    Post subject:

I have the shutdown issue with a new dual proc under 5.2.8 v5 which only occurred after I updated the ath9k module -- I'm wondering if the timing issue relates to shutdown of wireless. Also same problem confirmed by a second user on another computer.

PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:39    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Thanks to musher0 for tracking down the cause of the problem.

I am not so sure it is only happening with full installs.
I have read posts by people, with frugal installs, having the problem.
Seems to be mostly, newer users trying newer Puppies (Racy, Slacko, etc..) and Lucid 528.005 versions.
Sage wrote:
First time I've ever encountered it. It's obscure and scarcely reproducible, but a damn nuisance.
So, we need to know from rerwin to which variants does his patch apply, please? And if not others than Lupu, can he help Jemimah and other developers?
Yes, it was musher0 who made the actual discovery that recobayu reported. Thanks, to musher0.

To make the fix available for every puppy, I removed the fixes other than for shutdown and added package to my message containing patch-8b-delta. That should be used anywhere the problem is suspected (unless "8b" is already installed).

But, from bigpup's comment, the real problem may be elsewhere. Adding a delay suggests that there is a timing issue where the delay allows something else to complete. If the fix is still insufficient, the delay could be increased to, say, 1 second to handle even extreme cases. The scripts are in /usr/bin, wm*.

One factor that might play a role is whether the CPU has multiple cores. Timing/serialization issues can surface when one goes from a uniprocessor to a multiprocessor CPU. Please include in any reports about this, the type of CPU in use. Thanks.
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:37    Post subject:

@ playdayz

I read on the forum that someone had updated 'Coreutils' for puppy and I have had an attempt myself.

Compiling worked okay and as suggested in the 'ReadMe or Install' file, I have disabled NLS as it will fail the tests.

The compiled pet file does install on Lucid 528-005 and everything appears to function correctly however the only problem I seem to have is that once installed it fails to install PET files. Is this something that someone could look at?

Pet file is here.
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