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ICPUG
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 18:26    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:

I am interested in your comment ICPUG about java and Base--perhaps java should be included in all Libre versions for full functionality.


My comment on Java and Base is based on the information from:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/system-requirements/

Namely:
For certain features of the software - but not most - Java is required. Java is notably required for Base.

Personally, I like a fully functioning LibreOffice so I think Java should be included. When you have done that I don't see much point in LupuLibre + Java. Is it much MB less than LupuPLusLibre?

I will be using Lupu and LupuPLusLibre. I do see the point of LupuPlus for those that need the drivers but not LibreOffice though so maybe support of 3 options is valid.

I think you are in danger of trying to provide too many options Playdayz, especially with 3HD as well. I don't want you to get burnout - you are too valuable!

I think the ultimate solution would be to modularise.
You have Lupu and 3HD bases and then have a Plus sfs and a LibreOffice/Java sfs. You choose the base sfs you want and whichever addon sfs(s) you want. Not sure how you get all the sfs to load into RAM though (if you have enough that is). Now everything can be kept up-to-date at once. Should LibreOffice get an update all you have to do is update the LibreOffice/Java sfs and not (as at the moment) LupuLibre, LupuPlusLibre and 3HDLibre.

These are not requests - just floating ideas.
gcmartin
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 16:16    Post subject: Re: Where was JAVA fixed

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gcmartin
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 16:16    Post subject: Where was JAVA fixed

playdayz wrote:
Another incredible thing for me is that we now have a fully functional Office suite to ... as including java, etc. ...
Thanks Playdayz

This integration is coming at the right time, for, Internet rates are at an all-time high, and 2006+ PCs, are more than a match for the Office Performance we get from your offering in Puppy+3HD+...

Questions
  1. As was reported to you, there is a problem with JAVA as was delivered with your first Office PUP ("lupulibre"). Today, I noticed a version for 3HD. Did you or someone "FIX" the JAVA problem that was reported? And, if so, which versions contain that fix in PUP528 and 3HD?
  2. Will LupuPlusLIbre update have the JAVA fixed in it?
Thanks in advance
jim3630
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 14:16    Post subject:

Sage wrote:
Should be a clue in there somewhere for rerwin/Jemimah?


the clue was given to you PEBKAC. your the only one reporting this in Saliku.
and you failed to report in Saliku thread "your grief" is not present in 021
Sage
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 11:24    Post subject:

Interesting. Ran the patch "shutdown_exit_fix_for_all_woof-based_puppies-1.pet" on above machine. Menu shutdown now removes tray completely - nothing else. CTRL-ALT-BKSPCE, then <poweroff> guarantees return to desktop every time!


Later: did the Saluki 20 - 21 upgrade (FULL). Whatever that does, it overwrote the above grief and [so far!] it's shutting down to order! Should be a clue in there somewhere for rerwin/Jemimah?
Sage
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 11:10    Post subject:

Quote:
Please include in any reports about this, the type of CPU
Ta, rerwin.

Don't believe in multiple cores, never use them. For Puppies it's overkill^2 and defeats the prime directive.
Never use wireless, either. Keep safe, keep wired! Sagger rules!
It was a 754 that exhibited the shutdown feature. Haven't had time to apply your patch(es) yet. Puppies coming so thick and fast only have a Saluki 20 as a current release on FULL. Not seen the shutdown item on any other Puppy/HW and I've tried all of 'em.
playdayz
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 10:41    Post subject:

Quote:
Another incredible thing for me is that we now have a fully functional Office suite to business standards with in-built offline help, AS WELL AS the normal stuff, all in an ~350MB download

In a future version perhaps, no time soon, it might be fun to see how small we could get it without losing any function. BigPup has already suggested removing Abiword and gnumeric from the Libre versions. One advantage we have over other Linux distros is that even the Libre versions can run from ram, therefore they can be quicker--which solves one problem I have always had with Libre/Open office. Another obvious advantage is that Puppy is lean to begin with.

I am interested in your comment ICPUG about java and Base--perhaps java should be included in all Libre versions for full functionality.

Quote:
we are not an official Puppy nobody gets to hear of it on Distrowatch

I certainly hope that we will see Libre versions of the official Puppies--I regard Lupu Libre as kind of a test bed where we can figure out such things as including java, etc. I am developing a system for easily making Libre versions of other Puppies.
vtpup
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:47    Post subject:

I have the shutdown issue with a new dual proc under 5.2.8 v5 which only occurred after I updated the ath9k module -- I'm wondering if the timing issue relates to shutdown of wireless. Also same problem confirmed by a second user on another computer.

see:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77536
rerwin
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:39    Post subject:

bigpup wrote:
Thanks to musher0 for tracking down the cause of the problem.

I am not so sure it is only happening with full installs.
I have read posts by people, with frugal installs, having the problem.
Seems to be mostly, newer users trying newer Puppies (Racy, Slacko, etc..) and Lucid 528.005 versions.
Sage wrote:
First time I've ever encountered it. It's obscure and scarcely reproducible, but a damn nuisance.
So, we need to know from rerwin to which variants does his patch apply, please? And if not others than Lupu, can he help Jemimah and other developers?
Yes, it was musher0 who made the actual discovery that recobayu reported. Thanks, to musher0.

To make the fix available for every puppy, I removed the fixes other than for shutdown and added package shutdown_exit_fix_for_all_woof-based_puppies-1.pet to my message containing patch-8b-delta. That should be used anywhere the problem is suspected (unless "8b" is already installed).

But, from bigpup's comment, the real problem may be elsewhere. Adding a delay suggests that there is a timing issue where the delay allows something else to complete. If the fix is still insufficient, the delay could be increased to, say, 1 second to handle even extreme cases. The scripts are in /usr/bin, wm*.

One factor that might play a role is whether the CPU has multiple cores. Timing/serialization issues can surface when one goes from a uniprocessor to a multiprocessor CPU. Please include in any reports about this, the type of CPU in use. Thanks.
Richard
chrome307
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 09:37    Post subject:

@ playdayz

I read on the forum that someone had updated 'Coreutils' for puppy and I have had an attempt myself.

Compiling worked okay and as suggested in the 'ReadMe or Install' file, I have disabled NLS as it will fail the tests.

The compiled pet file does install on Lucid 528-005 and everything appears to function correctly however the only problem I seem to have is that once installed it fails to install PET files. Is this something that someone could look at?



Pet file is here.

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-124c74a7.html
ICPUG
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 07:51    Post subject:

playdayz wrote:

I hesitate to mention it but it *might* be possible to remaster a Libre version to run in ram on that 512MB machine. If one started with 3HD Libre one would need to remove about 26-30MB to shrink the luci_001.sfs below 256MB. Abiword is about 6MB and Gnumeric is about 7Mb, so that would be a start. 3HD uses the separate z-drive for the drivers which saves some space. And wait a minute, I had to use a large guvcview to get it to work, so that is another 6MB! Anyone have suggestions for a couple of other 2-3Mb programs that could be removed? midori and xine-dvd might do it.


I don't think there is any urgency for that, not for my needs anyway. At some point you have to draw the line and say running from CD is not suitable and a hard disk install is necessary for performance. LupuPlusLibre with its incredible functionality over a standard Puppy has crossed the line I think.

Another incredible thing for me is that we now have a fully functional Office suite to business standards with in-built offline help, AS WELL AS the normal stuff, all in an ~350MB download. No other distro with this functionality gets near to this size. How does Puppy do it?

The great sadness is that now we are not an official Puppy nobody gets to hear of it on Distrowatch or in Linux Format!

radky wrote:

PupApps uses the LO and OO prefixes to distinguish the LibreOffice executables from OpenOffice executables of the same name (for example, LO-swriter versus OO-swriter).

In Preferences of PupApps you will find the following LibreOffice options are available for LupuLibre 528.005:

Database: LO-sbase
Spreadsheet: LO-scalc
Wordprocessor: LO-swriter
Presentation: LO-simpress
Vector Editor: LO-sdraw


Thank you radky. I must investigate a little more now that I have a save file set up. Your utilities are continually improving. The way you work quietly in the background and still converse with the user puts you among the higher echelons of Puppy contributors!
bigpup
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 02:00    Post subject:

Just let Firefox internal update do an update from version 11 to 12.
So far, it seems to be working OK.
Fingers crossed! Very Happy
All of them!! Laughing Wink Very Happy

Hope it did not just add 6MB+ to the overall size. Seems that is their standard update download size.
Sage
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 01:59    Post subject:

Quote:
This shutdown problem some are seeing,
Glad to see your input on this issue.
(works fine for me without your fix, Lupu528.005).

I am not so sure it is only happening with full installs.
I have read posts by people, with frugal installs, having the problem.
Seems to be mostly, newer users (and very old ones now!) trying newer Puppies (Racy, Slacko, etc..) and Lucid 528.005 versions.


...and Saluki ! First time I've ever encountered it. It's obscure and scarcely reproducible, but a damn nuisance.
So, we need to know from rerwin to which variants does his patch apply, please? And if not others than Lupu, can he help Jemimah and other developers?
The maestro has been invoked in one missive. Where is he on this issue?
bigpup
PostPosted: Thu 26 Apr 2012, 01:22    Post subject:

rerwin wrote:
Could those of you seeing the problem in your full installation please install this package and report whether it makes any difference in the shutdown behavior? TIA.
Richard

Thanks to musher0 for tracking down the cause of the problem.

Rerwin,

This shutdown problem some are seeing,
Glad to see your input on this issue.
(works fine for me without your fix, Lupu528.005).

I am not so sure it is only happening with full installs.
I have read posts by people, with frugal installs, having the problem.
Seems to be mostly, newer users trying newer Puppies (Racy, Slacko, etc..) and Lucid 528.005 versions.
don570
PostPosted: Wed 25 Apr 2012, 17:44    Post subject:

I was able to convert pmirror so that it
can mirror 5 folders now.

I call the application 'Puppy backup 1.4'

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=77685


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