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sheldonisaac
PostPosted: Thu 11 Dec 2014, 21:02    Post subject: Latest version

Blackfish wrote:
What and where is the latest version of Lucid for download? I want to use it, but I think I have an old version.
Probably 5.2.8.7, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=739518#739518
Blackfish
PostPosted: Thu 11 Dec 2014, 20:47    Post subject:

What and where is the latest version of Lucid for download? I want to use it, but I think I have an old version.
sindi
PostPosted: Fri 29 Aug 2014, 21:46    Post subject: orinoco_cs pcmcia in post 5.2.5 lupus.

I ran pdiag and it put a bunch of irrelevant looking (mostly blank
or default) files in /tmp/pdiag*. dmesg looks more helpful.
Whether or not I try to manually insert orinoco_cs, there is that
long series of
orinoco_cs: disagrees about version of symbol orinoco_init
orinoco_cs: Unknown symbol orinoco_init
Ditto for orinoco_if_del, hermes_struct_init, orinoco_down,
orinoco_if_add, orinoco_up. alloc_orinocodev

After a few lines about a Conexant modem, the above repeats
(END)

Is this module a mismatch for the kernel or was the kernel not
compiled with support for orinoco? As I said, non-cardbus
pcmcia does work (and you could uncomment the line that
prevents it from working by default).

Wary 5.5 detects and installs orinoco_cs, as do Puppy
4.1.2 (pulp) and 4.3.1. Since sound died on this laptop
anyway, I don't really need gtk-youtubeviewer, which is
my main reason for upgrading to 5. (Also sometimes it helps
to have Firefox greater than 17). Lupu is a lot simpler
to set up since I don't need to upgrade libc or add
libraries for the browsers.

I could confirm the orinoco problem on a 1GHz DELL Inspiron 8100.

I could not get Wary (did not try Lupu) to set cpu speed
to maximum as default on a DELL with a broken wire that
runs at 600MHz because two wires do not connect (motherboard
and power supply) and DELL decided this means I don't
have an OEM power supply and therefore cannot run at
full speed. The screen finished falling off but if you
like I can stick it together long enough to test lupu.

I could not get Wary (did not try Lupu) to use ndiswrapper
with bcm43xx on a DELL Inspiron 2200 where Pulp and 4.3.1
behave as expected. The wifi card is buried under a metal
plate under the keyboard but I can test if important.

Lupu 5.2.8.6 works just fine (frugal) at 500MHz with 384MB.
I can play Youtube videos at 240p (or with a lot of frame
dropping at 360p). I can even play them with movgrab
and mplayer at 240p on a 233MHz with 228MB (pulp).

No such luck in Windows. SMPlayer won't play on the 900MHz
with the pcmcia wifi problem. No PIII support?

Pulp has an ssl-enabled DILLO that I think works in lupu.
Also elinks text browser. Could you add both of these?
(Or lynx, or links2).

Text browsers are about 100 times as fast on a slow connection,
such as one borrowed (with permission) from a neighbor with
a weak router. And they eliminate 95% of the ads (no images).

I added fbida to view images with framebuffer console, also
usable with mplayer. (I had to add fbcon and other modules
to pulp and framebuffer still does not work on all computers).
sheldonisaac
PostPosted: Fri 29 Aug 2014, 13:52    Post subject: Re: Orinoco_cs pcmcia (non-cardbus) not detected and won't load

rerwin wrote:
sheldonisaac wrote:
There are some differences between that LuPu and the Playdayz-managed LuPu 5.2.8-005. Richard or others at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461 may have some tips.
I think I needed a driver or something for use with this Super Lupu 2 (or some such variant) , and found it in a Precise iso
sheldonisaac,
Could you be more specific.

I was just giving an example for Sindi that a newer OS does not necessarily work with the programs that an older one does.
Which of course she knows.
I think the one that was in my mind was the "error while loading shared libraries: libetpan.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
That message came when I tried to run claws-mail 3.80 under lupusuper2
Not sure whether I found the missing libetpan.so.16 in Precise, or whether I got it from a .pet.

Sylpheed works on this (older) computer (kernel? 2.6.33.2, LuPu 528), but claws doesn't. So I use claws only on the newer computer with lupusuper2

Quote:

I would like to try to resolve the orinoco problem(s) for the next release which I am considering bumping to "5.2.8.7", since there are many updates since 5 months ago.

I see that lupu and lupusuper2 have both the orinoco drivers and firmware files. Precise 5.6.1 and 5.7.1 have the drivers but not the firmware file. Maybe you needed to add something else for the lupus that handles the missing labels. If we need to recompile the drivers, I could use a recommendation for a link to the appropriate source code.

And a pdiag file (from sindi) from a failing lupu/lupusuper 5.2.8.6 test would be helpful, too.
Richard
rerwin
PostPosted: Fri 29 Aug 2014, 13:17    Post subject: Re: Orinoco_cs pcmcia (non-cardbus) not detected and won't load

sheldonisaac wrote:
There are some differences between that LuPu and the Playdayz-managed LuPu 5.2.8-005. Richard or others at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461 may have some tips.
I think I needed a driver or something for use with this Super Lupu 2 (or some such variant) , and found it in a Precise iso
sheldonisaac,
Could you be more specific. I would like to try to resolve the orinoco problem(s) for the next release, which I am considering bumping to "5.2.8.7", since there are many updates since 5 months ago.

I see that lupu and lupusuper2 have both the orinoco drivers and firmware files. Precise 5.6.1 and 5.7.1 have the drivers but not the firmware file. Maybe you needed to add something else for the lupus that handles the missing labels. If we need to recompile the drivers, I could use a recommendation for a link to the appropriate source code.

And a pdiag file (from sindi) from a failing lupu/lupusuper 5.2.8.6 test would be helpful, too.
Richard
sindi
PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014, 15:36    Post subject: Lupu 5.2.5 lite links broken

I of course meant not 2.5.5 but 5.2.5 lupu lite 105MB iso.
The links to versions 1 and 4 are both broken. There is a 5.2.6 lite as well.
sindi
PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014, 14:59    Post subject: lupu 5.2.8.6 and 5.2.8-05.1 no detect orinoco_cs pcmcia

Lupu 2.5.5 works fine, both
later versions do not detect
my orinoco pcmcia card. Was the kernel
changed between 2.5.5 and 2.5.8?
sindi
PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014, 12:19    Post subject: Lupu 5.2.5 orinoco_cs pcmcia works

I will try 5.2.8-005 instead of 6.
sheldonisaac
PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014, 11:46    Post subject: Re: Orinoco_cs pcmcia (non-cardbus) not detected and won't load

There are some differences between that LuPu and the Playdayz-managed LuPu 5.2.8-005. Richard or others at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461 may have some tips.
I think I needed a driver or something for use with this Super Lupu 2 (or some such variant) , and found it in a Precise iso
sindi
PostPosted: Wed 27 Aug 2014, 11:28    Post subject: Orinoco_cs pcmcia (non-cardbus) not detected and won't load

My internal orinoco_cs pcmcia card (Toshiba Satellite 3000-S353 and others in the 3000 series) is detected and works in Pulp (4.1.2-based), 4.1.3, and Wary 5.5. In Lupu 5.2.8.6 it is not detected.

Same problem with an external DELL orinoco-based pcmcia card.

I uncommented
/etc/init.d/rc.pcmcia line pcmcia-socket-startup so that non-cardbus cards will be recognized, and a non-cardbus Linksys ethernet card was recognized.

I tried to load it manually:Loading orinoco_cs failed....

FATAL: Error inserting orinoco-cs.... Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg). Maybe try a different driver.

dmesg gives me a long list of
Unknown symbol orinoco_down, _if-add, _up, etc (all with orinoco or hermes in them)
alternating w ith
disagrees about version of symbol orinoco_down......

Was the lupu kernel compiled without support for orinoco? It is one of only two non-cardbus wireless internet chips that I know of. It was also used internally in some older DELLs (I have two, circa 2001 just before mini-PCI cards got popular).

Is there a fix or should I use wary or Puppy 4 instead?
Or an external (cardbus) wireless ethernet card?
sheldonisaac
PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 10:42    Post subject: GRUB stuff

rcrsn51 wrote:
Around the time that Precise was being developed, the Kent Robotti Legacy GRUB became incompatible and quit working. It was retired in favour of a new tool called Legacy GRUB Config 2013.

It may be that when Lucid was upgraded, the Robotti GRUB broke again, but was never noticed.

The Lucid maintainers will need to look at this.

Hi, folks. Thanks for this recent discussion.

Although I have rerwin's Lucid Puppy 5.2.8.6 sulu-002 (with GRUB4DOS) on this approx year 2011 computer, I just installed Legacy GRUB Config 2013.
Starting it seems fine, though I didn't proceed with it; the existing GRUB4DOS is working OK.

Again, thanks to you all.

Sheldon
rcrsn51
PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 09:55    Post subject:

Around the time that Precise was being developed, the Kent Robotti Legacy GRUB became incompatible and quit working. It was retired in favour of a new tool called Legacy GRUB Config 2013.

It may be that when Lucid was upgraded, the Robotti GRUB broke again, but was never noticed.

The Lucid maintainers will need to look at this.
hayden
PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 09:36    Post subject: GRUB

Sorry. I thought GRUB meant GRUB Legacy as found in every Puppy I have seen and GRUB4DOS was the other option. I used Ye Olde GRUB. Every previous version of that I have seen in Puppy creates menu.lst automatically.

I also thought the version was established by the title of this thread:

"Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012"

And I did indeed see mention of Kent Robboti;-)

In any case, I fixed my problem. How do I report the bug in the GRUB Legacy installer?
rcrsn51
PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 08:48    Post subject:

You never identified which version of Lucid you installed or which GRUB tool you used. But I looked in Lupu 5.2.8.6 and it still has the original "Kent Robotti" Legacy GRUB. And every version of Grub4Dos that I have seen automatically adds a menu entry for Windows.

So I am confused by your reports.
hayden
PostPosted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 08:41    Post subject: workaround

I just copied the Windows section from the menu.lst in a working Puppy and all is well. However, whatever one thinks of the different GRUBs, is not popping up an irrelevant text file instead of adding Windows to menu.lst a bug? This seems like an instant deal killer to beginners who try to dual boot Puppy and lose Windows.
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