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dogle
PostPosted: Mon 09 Jan 2012, 18:29    Post subject:

Thanks to tronkel for raising this thread.

Now we have drifted from the original title to the ongoing problem of perceived M$ market-rigging .... there have been many reports to the effect that the M$ End User License Agreement (EULA) says -in effect- you don't have to pay for it if you don't use it .... the retailer is thus obliged to refund the license fee (assuming the EULA has not changed recently) - and some noble people have successfully taken retailers to court when they failed to do this - but unfortunately tronkel has now lost this option by running the M$ software.

But wait -
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This has got to stop. It's illegal.
Right!

Austria is in the European Union, right?

The illustrious Mev. Neelie Goes, when she was European Competition Commissioner, fined MicroSoft something like 800 million Euros (think, a billion dollars) just over the browser choice issue.

She has now moved on, I think, to be IT Commissioner .... but dare I suggest to tronkel that it might be worth investing in a postage stamp (I'm not sure emails work) and writing to your representative in the European Parliament, with a request that this anti-competitive abomination be brought to the attention of the new Competition Commissioner? (Who no doubt retains unlimited powers to fine, and in exercising such might do much to help Linux get a fairer deal).
nooby
PostPosted: Sun 08 Jan 2012, 08:08    Post subject:

Maybe the title is a misunderstanding so better to correct it as suggested?
Amigo give a good explanation. base the title on that one!
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/posting.php?p=594505&mode=topicreview&postorder=DESC#594505
tronkel
PostPosted: Sun 08 Jan 2012, 07:12    Post subject:

Here's what it was like last week when I went to buy a replacement for my PC which got borked.

I had my eye on one particular PC with just the spec that I wanted. This was available at a local accredited HP specialist - the same dealer from whom I bought my wife's HP PC some time ago. At the time, they were prepared to sell me the kit with no operating system and gave me a reasonable reduction on the price seeing that there was no Windows loaded.

Unfortunately this time they wouldn't play ball on the Windows rebate. The salesman said that anyway the rebate on Windows 7 Home Premium would only amount to something like €15 and suggested that I should take the machine (since it was a nice price anyway - even with Windows included) and simply delete the Windows installation if I didn't want it.

So I ended up taking the deal. The salesman was pleasant enough and even appeared to have a good knowledge of Linux.

This is exactly why MS has such a stranglehold over the desktop market. It's a case of "know thy enemy". Even Bill Gates once gave a fascinating interview where he demonstrated a level of knowledge of Linux that would have done credit to an experienced Linux geek - just as if he was a Linux enthusiast himself!

The salesman in this case obviously had had his hands tied in a financial sense by the MS powers that be. Nice enough guy - but simply was not in a position to grant my request on this occasion. MS cash talking here.

This has got to stop. It's illegal.

Anyway I didn't delete the Windows 7 install. I wanted to try it out to see what it was like. What was it like? -

Dead slow and stop compared to Ubuntu (LOL!). The difference is stark. It's clear that Windows 7 is well past its sell-by date and is struggling to cater to recent hardware specs. Not worth using IMHO.

Maybe MS are thinking that the PC itself is past its sell-by date due to new concepts in hardware design? Nowadays it's certainly not as easy as it used to be going out with the cash in your pocket and getting fixed up with a nice Linux PC - stressful. Looks as though it would have been easier to buy a laptop. Most of the people in shop standing before me in queue were either buying a new laptop or were handing one in for service or repair. Buying a new PC is not a job for old ladies!

This PC runs Linux just fine. AMD Phenom X4, 6G RAM and 1.5T Western Digital hard disk. ATI Radeon 6450 with IG memory. Just a pity about the MS Windows tax.
sickgut
PostPosted: Sat 07 Jan 2012, 13:54    Post subject:

it could also be that as there are more and more old computers not being used and new ones bought to replace them, this means that linux that is a free OS that needs no license and runs on lower hardware specs gets installed on these older computer systems.
tronkel
PostPosted: Sat 07 Jan 2012, 09:47    Post subject:

Amigo wrote:

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It say that market share has *increased* 40% -which could mean that it has risen from 1% to 1.4%.


Yes, that's the most likely take on this - i.e. it has gone from a 1% share to around 1.4%.

Still, that is a chunk of an improvement considering that it has languished at around the 1% mark for some time.

What is interesting though about this is the reason for this percentage rise. Linux is doing something correct here. If it could be established exactly as to what this is, Linux developers would be in a better position to focus their efforts to advance further in this upward direction.

Could be though, that Windows 7 is simply past its sell-by date. If it continues to stay where it's at at the moment, Linux would simply "win by default" - as it were.

Seems like Microsoft has a mountain to climb here though. This percentage rise in popularity is a symptom of malaise at MS IMHO.
amigo
PostPosted: Sat 07 Jan 2012, 08:38    Post subject:

tronkel, it doesn't say that market share has risen to 40%. It say that market share has *increased* 40% -which could mean that it has risen from 1% to 1.4%.
nooby
PostPosted: Sat 07 Jan 2012, 06:50    Post subject:

But if one look here then it is still only 1.41 % and the win dows has still some 92% instead of 94% Smile Sad indeed.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=0&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=143&qpnp=13
tronkel
PostPosted: Sat 07 Jan 2012, 05:32    Post subject:  Linux usage risen to over 40% on desktop systems
Subject description: 2012 Linux year of the desktop?

Here's an article from the Austrian broadsheet Der Standard.

http://derstandard.at/1325485810046/Plus-40-Prozent-Linux-waechst-am-Desktop

German only, but you can use Google Translate to get an idea of the content in other languages.

Don't know how much these statistics can be relied upon, but there's no obvious reason to discount them as being inaccurate.

What would cause this massive upswing to 40% in Linux deployment?

I've just had to replace my own PC with a model that I wanted, but unfortunately could only get hold of it with MS Windows 7 Home Premium installed. Linux runs like a dream on the AMD Phenom X4 processor with 6GIG of RAM - whereas Windows 7 Home Premium is dead slow and stop - and that's as a pristine install.

Is the Windows 7 code now simply no longer up to the job of running on newer systems? Maybe users have no other choice now but to look elsewhere.

Linux now big on the Desktop? You heard it here first!
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